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They do indeed exist. So much so that our goverment has created social programs to help the needy. The problem is that these programs aren't fair and the manner of taxing indivduals is also not quite on the mark. Which is why I countinually have suggested we need a change in our infrastructure. I wouldn't have so much of an issue with our current system prevented people from being left behind. Forcing people to shell out outrageous amounts for health care, equal educational opportunities, acess to good food (meaning non processed, things with nutrtional value), clothing and shelter doesn

heres a good lesson i learned in grade school. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THEN WORDS. Only a fool doesn't realize your making a statement with everything you say or do. I gotta get out here though. See ya all later.

they are making severl hundred livings is my point. Its insane that people can be sick and dieing all over the world and people have more then they could ever use. How do you not see that as fucked up. As tom waits said "were all gonna be just dirt in the ground". So how can you justify living la vida loca while people can't eat? This is their only chance at life as well. Why should it be misreable while you (or these artists) are having a gay old time.

I have to run to class now but I wantede to point out...... I know alot of you arguing on behalf of capitlism download music. How is that fair? Aren't you ripping off the arists? You guys talk about how hard work is deserving of payment, but something inside of you tells you that they have enough money that they can afford to have you steal their art. I wouldn't call that faith in the system your supporting.

No, making a living, at least to me means: fuflling one's needs for survival. If you sell a song to a corporation for an ad campign (if your a big artist) your gonna land a big pay check.

hmmm well then why don't you post in another thread?

ummm what was so inchorent about what I just said? For someone so hardworking you got quite a bit of free time don't you think?

well maybe if they were better payed, I'd been better edumacated.

well thats why I also said "or play the capitalist game however you like to call it" meaning that their not selling out but they are in fact exchaning their music for profits in order to endorse a product.

How so? I think almost everyone here belives people have free will and can make the choice to "sell Out"

GOTO TUCSON! I love it down there. If you make sure you do some hiking in Sagurao National Park.

glad to see people are still disscussing this. to try to bring it somewhat closer to its orginal concept. If we have established that artists can and will "sell out" (or play the capitalist game however you like to call it) does it tarnish the art or the indivdual if its used in a commerical. As I've already stated I try not to look up to musicans (except for their musical abilty). That being said do you all fell that once you've herd a song in a commerical it looses some of its meaning. As stated before music can be reused in a dramatic setting to enhance the film, in effect a co

Well I'm glad you took it well. On that note I'm out here. Goodnight folks!

Hey, you don't need me to make you feel guilty. I'm sure if you goto the BBC right now their are a bunch of news stories that will make you feel guilty for what you have. I'm glad you donate money, I wish I could donate more. Sadly I don't have the means, right now I'm tring to educate myself to put myself the postion to one day create a greater good. And I actully can and will try to tell you something I belive thats what talking is for. I can't speak for the corporation you work for since I don't know which one it is. But many of these corporations that do do charity work are ha

If people as indivduals don't wake up were fucked. ETA: Hyperbole or not.

nor do they talk to terri gross like this http://erim.net/misc/GeneSimmons_TerryGross.mp3 classic

yeah but this free market has destoryed the face of our planet. On top of that I'd to see you say that to someone dieing of aids in africa or starving to death in Bangledesh. I can gurantee their are people all over the world suffering that worked harder in a single day then you have in your whole life. You got lucky and were born here (or born into a soceity which gave you the means to get here). Your not thinking globbaly not even to metion cosmically. Your thinking about the quick turn around which is your enjoyment of life. Which hate to break to you is only temporary where as the

sure is, I doubt he'll deny it.

How do you expect peace with an attitude like that? I already stated that I sympthize with those who work to help their familes the system forces them to. In an ideal world (which is what we need to start focusing in on) you wouldn't have to work harder then anyone else. We should each be helping to carry the load. Its very easy to get caught up in the way thigns are "now" simply because thats the way they are you gotta realize there is a whole universe out there and what were doing now is worrying about "now" which is leading to destruction.

It's only a crazy notion because of the society we live in. I agree many people don't stand up for themselves when they can, in this country. In many other countries they can't do anything about it; our capitlist system supports that (ex:child labor). Capitlism has put many people in a bad spot they can't get out of and even if they can (musicans, atthletes are great examples) what about everyone. Why do you they have more of a justification for a better life, because our culture likes what they do? Thats insane. We don't even understand the space that we materilize how can we be i

not practiced correctly sure. I don't think of communism as an answer though (to go further into my belifs). I would hope as a speices we can one day rid ourselves of these current ideas and notions of world powers. Communism I like because it requires everyone to do their part and work together, if we could do that the infrustructre could collapse. I know you all probably think I'm a wacko but really there is an entire universe out there for us to discover why the fuck are we wasting time killing each other ? ETA: like i said earlier I don't belive a country has practiced true communism

It's a good question but as we established before irrelevent. I don't care for juding the moral character of every artist (because like I said its the art thats rellevant) I do care when I hear someone I know talking about how they admire these people or if I myself am going to admire someone as an indivdual. Instead of pointing the finger at others in society we need to start looking in the mirror and chaning the way it behaves. As metioned earlier in the sixties artists didn't sell out because finically it was benficial not to. We need to start having better values as a people in orde

i have no idea. Saw him a few years ago on account of my grandmothers gambling addiction .

All you need is love, they preached peace and love a lot. Fuck everytime ringo is on tv he'll say it a good ten or twelve times.

that problem is still there. But does that mean artists should sit on a pedestal (finacially and emotinally). Their getting compinsated by supporting capitalism something that I'm against. Like I sad before the indivual isn't to blame. They are just manifesting an evil system.