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when your right your right. The entertainment industry as a whole. Everyone plays a part. The reason I said uniquely rock though was because in the prior post I was talking about how Jazz musicans don't get idolized as people but as musicans.

if they are exploting the system they aren't worth admiring. People worth admiring (rember this is in my mind not right or wrong) are those who bring us closer together as a speices and doing things that aren't for self gain but for helping save our planet or help bring us to peace. But then again if were just talking a about a person playing guitar wanting to look up to someone who does it better then she or he well theres nothing wrong with that. But thats what you should be admiring is their talent. But like I said the respect for rock artists gennerally seems to strecth to that perso

hahahaha no silly. I just think its a wierd phenonmena that people look up to these people. I love the beatles and Bob Dylan and slew of other assholes. I think a lot of people admire and idolize these folks, my point is they are undeserving. I think it a unqiuely rock thing that people idolize these folks. I think it has to do with hearing lyrics and a message and then the listener assumes they stand for it so they admire them. Its like the Grateful Dead, a lot of people really worship those guys part of it has to do with what they were singing about. Those lyrics though

also wanted to suggest the idea of triage. Do you not belive in differences of any kind? are all kinds of suffering the same? If not then there could also be differences in how much some one is abusing the system.

very true, i can rip it all i like but I'm still a victim.

I'm saying its more understanble for a person in the lower end of the ecomonic scale to sell out not that its right. Your right the degree is irrevelent. But these people (rock stars) are taking it to the extreme. They could survive and live good lives without selling out furthur but they need more. Most of the time people sell out in order to ensure survival; that in my mind is understandble. Not living beyond your means.

how did you like the doc A-Man. I love that film. Actully got to see it with the director on hand for a Q&A.

Why does that justify finical benifits? i'll save time and answer it for you.Your system tells you that its okay. I wouldn't call Stalin a true communist. I actully would say its preety hard to point to a true communist society (cuba is close though).Real communism invovles everyone and as we all know someone likes to be on top. Those of you that don't care about leaving others behind must really love this county.Nobodys better at fucking the poor then the good ol' us of a ETA: ON top of that there are many forums of communism. I don't consider a dictatorship a communist society obiovi

Instead of batting around what we've already established. Whats so bad about the alternative????? Captilism is the root of oppresion. Wouldn't it be nice to get rid of that? As Mr. McCartney's other half once said Imagine there's no Heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the

YOU SWINE! lolIf your a firm beliver in captitalism and the right to extort the market then sure their is nothing wrong with what he's doing. Wilco is making a profit and paying their employees, the difrence is how much. Fundamenttaly I don't like our system of commerce. YOU SWINE! lolIf your a firm beliver in captitalism and the right to extort the market then sure their is nothing wrong with what he's doing. Wilco is making a profit and paying their employees, the difrence is how much. Fundamenttaly I don't like our system of commerce. So there fore I see McCarntey living beyond his me

How do other tours get by at charing a quarter of the cost? Better yet a big production like Bonnaroo has way more overhead yet the price is equal? A McCartney show fills an arena with a 20,000 person capcity, and bonnaroo has four maybe five times as many people way higher overhead and its cost is equal (and many times less) then 250. If you really thinking McCartney is only getting a small net gain your fooling yourself.

Your joking right....... McCartney's "show" is outlandish and over the top, which I'm sure rasises ticket prices a bit but think about the effect hauling all that shit around in mac trucks is doing to the enviorment. I live around the corner from Wrigglyfield and couldn't help but feel disgusted seeing all the shit The Police had to haul in to make their "show" happen. McCartney's pricing is over the top insane (again 40 dollar t-shirts(its probably even more now), 250 tickets in areans that hold thouhsands yet charge less for mayn other events. and you can say this about anyone in that leagu

sure he's a sell out if he's doing it for self gain. I'm not gonna cut him down though we all do it. Which is why it should be no suprise that these musicans do the same. My point really is that he shouldn't have to work harder then anybody else in order to get what he wants (as long as they aren't getting more then their brother men and women). Our system (capitlism, which in my mind spurs most soical problems) is the one to blame. Not the indivual. I'm not gonna stand on a soap box and act like I never do anything for myself. We all do; but in my mind there is a point in

um no its not a cop out, its a belief. The last sentence was tring to point out that everyone is putting these musicans on a peddistal thus them being upset that they sold out. They are no better then me or you, just averge common too!

I can agree with that.

ahh but ALL of them live beyond their means. ALL of them. Many people are just trying to make a buck for themseleves and its an insane world we live in. I'd call the people you reffered to as PLASTIC. You may say I'm a dreamer but I'd call myself a communist (even more so a utlilitarian). There is no reason anyone should have more then anyone else, its really all luck of the draw that ensurs success in our capitalist soceity. ETA: the averge person isn't worth admiring, why should you respect someone or better yet idolize them because they have a talent?

thanks for the defense, i was giving reffering to the chepest seats, and i acuttly think they were 160 in chicago. Now as for McCartney way to easy of a target but if I must He has an exclussive contract with STARBUCKS?!?!?!? ENOugh Lexus sponsered his tour in 04 i'm sure they still have some kind of involvment. 250 dollar concert tickets, 40 dollar t-shirts????? Performing with Jay-Z (cause the message is so similar right???) and the list goes on.

Does anyone rember how soon before the performance Sue made us aware of when Jeff was playing? By the way Sue or Jeff if you happen to see this. THANK YOU! I will never forget two years ago watching Sue convince Jeff to do the three shows and couldn't stop thinking how geniune. I tried to thank Jeff for his charity work at Lolla this year but all that probably came out was mumble mumble. So agian, THANK YOU! This is really a great cause. I don't know pay pal but we should set up a donation fund on here again!

I call bullshit. Who knows those bands may have gotten into bed with corporations back then had the corporations been intrested in them. Look forty years later- Paul McCartney is one of the biggest sell outs in music Dylan is pushing Caddlilacs Led Zepplin, The Who, and countless others have licensed their songs for commericals Neil Young finnaly jumped the money train on this tour charing upwards 70 dollars a ticket I've herd from a few sources that Bob Weir and Mickey Hart both belong to Bohieman Grove Bowie at Target This list could on for PAGES! It was fashionable back then for

that is awesome........ Anybody think we will see a much bigger crowd this year? I rember last year it was relativlty quite until a little before show time, but I do rember they were turning folks away.

what makes these bands indie? Aren't a lot of them released by major labels? Where is: Abbey Road? or "From The Mars Hotel" or "In Rainbows"

which show...?

yeah i was tring to get that and then realized it was dicks picks 4. Anyone wanna help a brother out? :I NEED A MIRACLE:

any recommendations on an acoustic set from 70? I already have the one where dave nelson sits in for cold jordan and swing low (dont rember the date)