chooch Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I don't think "Sunken Treasure" is good. Very disappointed in the DVD as a whole, but the biggest letdown is Jeff's playing and self indulgent, rehearsed monolouges. More when my 3 month old isn't screaming. Maybe he is screaming because I am being negative about his favorite songwriter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oceanman Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Well poop,I'll buy in from you for around 10$'s or so.I find his guitar work has far surpassed the days of old! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RainDogToo Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 That's sad to hear, I enjoyed the movie a lot! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chooch Posted November 4, 2006 Author Share Posted November 4, 2006 Yeah...it is sad. I am not going to sell it in hope of it finally "clicking". I also think his guitar playing is much better than the days of old, but on this DVD something is off. The playing seems really sloppy and the song selection does not work well for solo acoustic. A few songs are gems (most of the finger picked selections), however cuts like How to Fight..., Summerteeth, IATTBYH, amonstt others are flat and a bit boring. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I wouldn't mind a "songs only" option. The yacking gets old after a couple viewings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nonlinear Nonfiction Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I enjoyed the film for many reasons, partly because I'm a fan but also because I thought it was a very surpising release for a record label insofar as artist bios are concerned. I'm currently finishing a study on the history of documentary film and I'll take this opportunity to share my thoughts on the subject with a short critique:Â The filmmaker remarkably tried to include a wide variety of of Jeff's performances on that NorthWestern tour. Look at how many different kinds of songs and styles Jeff plays on the DVD: some songs are exactly what the most outrageous Tweedy fan would want - perfect finger-picking, able to sing the toughest highs and lows; other songs he is forced to abort and restart such as Shot In the Arm or he is interrupted by fans mid-whistle and begins laughing. A few of the performances, yes, are far from the perfect Tweedy one would expect to see in a film produced and released by the singer's record label. I think that is one of the best things about this documentary: it shows Tweedy at both his weakest and his best. He is bold and angry but at the same time reminds you in the car that he is humbled by the extreme pleasure people find when hearing his songs. Â but the biggest letdown is Jeff's playing and self indulgent, rehearsed monolouges. Â I have found that the flaw in any interview is that the person answering questions is either going to tell you what you want to hear, or tell you what you don't. What they say is dictated almost solely on what is asked. I suppose it would have been more Cinema-Verte-esque if we learned about Tweedy's thoughts on touring etc. from his own conversations with friends/bandmates etc. Then it would appear spontaneous and more raw. In Sunken Treasure, however, Jeff Tweedy speaks directly to the camera - which is why those comments might appear unnatural or "rehearsed." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RainDogToo Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Well, apparently the Chicago Maroon agrees "Live Tweedy DVD not quite a Treasure trove": Â http://maroon.uchicago.edu/online_edition/...treasure-trove/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I'm completely 180 degrees from the person posting this thread. I think the DVD is beautiful. I'm not sure what someone would expect from a documentation of a solo tour. The music's good. I found Tweedy's quotes and personality intriguing and interesting. The song selections are nice.....How to Fight Lonliness, Summerteeth, Black Eye, Future Age, Laminated Cat and Was I In Your Dreams are particularly fantastic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I'm completely 180 degrees from the person posting this thread. I think the DVD is beautiful. I'm not sure what someone would expect from a documentation of a solo tour. The music's good. I found Tweedy's quotes and personality intriguing and interesting. The song selections are nice.....How to Fight Lonliness, Summerteeth, Black Eye, Future Age, Laminated Cat and Was I In Your Dreams are particularly fantastic. i'm completely 360 degrees from this post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 i'm completely 360 degrees from this post. where would i be if i was 1080? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basil II Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 The video is not perfect......who'd want that??  Enjoyable........refreshing.....warts and all......   ---robert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggie Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Well, apparently the Chicago Maroon agrees "Live Tweedy DVD not quite a Treasure trove": Â http://maroon.uchicago.edu/online_edition/...treasure-trove/Â Â Â i got quite a laugh out of some points on that one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a.miller Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I thought it was good, not exceptional. It satisfied my desires, but I felt like I knew what it was gonna be going in. I downloaded one of his solo shows a while back and it happened to be one of the ones in the DVD, so I was kinda upset that I'd already seen that stuff. Really, I'm just lusting for a new album and I don't think any other stuff will make me super happy before that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chooch Posted November 4, 2006 Author Share Posted November 4, 2006 I guess I am just underwhelmed. I'm in a musical slump and thought this would pul me out, but it hasn't. I full band concert would surely be a DVD to treasure. Tweedy is still the man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danelectro Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I don't mind the chit-chat, even it was somewhat rehearsed. The playing, well that's how Jeff plays he isn't Tommy Emmanuel. The only thing the DVD didn't capture is the vibe and atmosphere of the actual shows, at least not the 3 shows that I attended. One thing that made the shows so cool was the way Jeff was lit. The weird up-lighting that made it seem "vintage", the actual shows felt like you could have been watching a performer from the 40's or 50's. It added to the experience IMO. The way it was filmed lost all that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tandylacker Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 .noitcelloc ruoy ni evah ot eno gnitseretni na tuB. .DVD gnirob ytterPÂ Â .DVD eht thguob uoy rehtehw fo sseldrager won meht daolnwod nac uoy dab ooT. .thgilhgih eht yletinifed era daolnwod ot sah ti sgnos ehTÂ http://wilcoworld.net/sunkentreasure/downl...lYmNlMjA4YzE%3DÂ .sdrawkcab eno taht od ot tnaw t'noD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 what? "Pretty boring DVD. But an interesting one to have in your collection. The songs it has to download are definitely the highlight. Too bad you can download them now regardless of whether you bought the DVD. [broken link] Don't want to do that one backwards." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 as i am downloading the mp3s, i'm beginning to think more critically of this film. for what it is, it's highly enjoyable, but it was a more modest film than i expected. it has some great moments, laminated cat for sure. but it's funny how neither acuff or treasure (being the title track) come close to the amazing performances filmed by Sam Jones. what really puzzles me is the song selection, why is half of Summerteeth here but only four songs from Wilco's past two albums? The solo versions of ALTWYS, Spiders, and Muzzle of Bees are all mindblowing. I'm also kindof missing Wait Up and New Madrid. I don't know if Jeff even played these songs during this particular tour, but I feel that there needed to me more old and new and less middle. Doing so would give a better picture of Tweedy as a songwriter, but it seems the film's only aim to show Tweedy at these five venues. And while the snippets between venues were beautiful, I would've liked to see a little more behind the scenes, and I would like to have heard what Tweedy was recording in his hotel room. The film has some great aspects to it, but overall I feel like it's a light treatment as opposed to I Am Trying To Break Your Heart or The Wilco Book. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tandylacker Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Uh-oh... The 'thank you so much for everything you've done Wilco, you're so generous' crowd is turning...   Doesn't it kind of seem like Wilco noticed there are a lot of Wilco bootlegs, so they made Kicking Television. About 2 months after that was released they film Sunken Treasure for those who have Jeff Tweedy bootlegs.  Both Kicking Television and Sunken Treasure are not fantastic, but if you want to listen to Wilco or Jeff Tweedy playing some of the Wilco songs live, then that's what they are. Maybe not best song choices... but sure beats the hell out of audience recordings. I don't know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
napoleon Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 my only complaint is the song list isn't as great as it could be. there are quite a few songs that really deserve to be on there. like "remember the mountain bed" for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighFives Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 I'm glad ELT is on the DVD its one of the most underrated wilco songs imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nonlinear Nonfiction Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 I also think that the song selection is great for both longtime fans and just any music lover...that's based upon my own opinion AND the best music critic i know - the guy at B-Side records in Madison (who has never admitted to be excited about anything, really) - he actually thought the song choices looked intriguing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamin' Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Well, apparently the Chicago Maroon agrees "Live Tweedy DVD not quite a Treasure trove": Â http://maroon.uchicago.edu/online_edition/...treasure-trove/Â When he plays Portland, he informs his eager audience, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 I went to high school with that writer, I'm pretty sure, and she was just as whiny back then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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