danelectro Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Bush is a flip-flopper! Yep. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Edie Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 According to what I just read, Bush spoke to Gates over the weekend about the job -- this literally just a matter of 2-3 days after soundly endorsing Rummy. Flip Flop indeed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Also concerning a congressman from NY.(I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Edie Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Actually, dumping Rummy is "cut and run" and its finest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Well, I have to admit that many of the Dems are not much better than the Repubs, but for a leftie, this is a good (and long overdue) day. For a while, I was beginning to be afraid they were really going to have a permanent stranglehold on our government and turn it into some sort of Diebold Dictatorship ... letting us think, all the time, that we the people were electing them. I'm glad to know I was wrong.Seeing Rummy go is icing on a very nice birthday cake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 I wonder why Bush would do this the day after the election? Wouldn't they have thought that this could have given the Republicans a bump?If news coverage is a form of political capital, then this move steals some capital from the gloating Democrats. The press were talking strictly about Democrat victories; now they have to allot room to cover a Bush move that, while desperate, can be spun as "positive." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 If news coverage is a form of political capital, then this move steals some capital from the gloating Democrats. The press were talking strictly about Democrat victories; now they have to allot room to cover a Bush move that, while desperate, can be spun as "positive." Interesting. Hadn't thought of it that way. Its amazing what a chess game politics is... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 This is what we pay Beltmann for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 This is what we pay Beltmann for. And here silly me, I thought this was proof that the system works. That the nation has spoken and Rumsfeld listened. Instead it is a desperate ploy by the Republicans to steal back the headlines. Curses!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 so, really, how much of a difference does this make? i don't like him at all either, but is it really that big of a deal in how anything will actually change? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 so, really, how much of a difference does this make? i don't like him at all either, but is it really that big of a deal in how anything will actually change? No, it won't make a difference. But I feel better today. And its a moral victory (no pun intended). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 No, it won't make a difference. But I feel better today. And its a moral victory (no pun intended). Hey, I smiled too...just really wanted to get some indication it's really going to make difference and I don't quite yet. The whole shift of power in congress, that I get the upside in...this just seems like a PR move of some sort and Iraq will still be fucked up tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mchchef1 Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 That's my congressman, Mike Sweeney. A big stupid Angry Man wifebeating Republican cocksucking son of a bitch motherfucker.It's ok you can be open here, tell us how youreally feel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 so, really, how much of a difference does this make? i don't like him at all either, but is it really that big of a deal in how anything will actually change?Nah. 'Nam continued to go in the shitter after McNamara left. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 It's ok you can be open here, tell us how youreally feel My new congressperson, Kirsten Gillibrand, looks a great deal like our own JessFlick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viatroy Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 ha! right you are! She went to my high school. Kirsten, not Flick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Is it me, or do all women named Kirsten look exactly like that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tommyjacobs Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 so, really, how much of a difference does this make? i don't like him at all either, but is it really that big of a deal in how anything will actually change? At least Gates isn't a politician. I attended A&M during his tenure, and he did a good job. Not sure how well that translates into being Secretary of Defense, but he didn't seem like a complete douche. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 At least Gates isn't a politician. I attended A&M during his tenure, and he did a good job. Not sure how well that translates into being Secretary of Defense, but he didn't seem like a complete douche.he was in the CIA & NSC for 26 years, led the CIA for 2... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Tough week for both these guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Tough week for both these guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Pe4rsonally i can not gloat about Rumsfeld leaving. At one point on 911 when he was out there at the pentagon being a regular guy helping with the wounded & such I had a bit of respect for him. Since then it has been all down hill. He and his think tank have, along with dirty dick and dumb george have lead America into a war on false pretenses. Face it, no matter how you slice it they wanted war with Iraq. Both Bush and dirty dick have said many times that even knowing today what they know they would have invaded, so we can drop the pretense of being surprised about no wmd being found. Anyhow the war was made for politcal and economic reasons. He did not listen to his generals and has not since day one. Remeber the crusader artillery piece that many generals wanted and he killed? Now I think he may have been correct on that one, but still he was not listening to his generals. He did not listen to them when they made the original plans and troop requests for Iraq. And quite frankly I don't think he has listened to them since. The whole point of Iraq, according to the PNAC was to invade with a minimal force, or rather enough force to over throw what was viewed as the regions power and do so quickly with minimal US casulaties. This was in turn supposed to lead to 1) A government friendly to the US (democracy is a side issue, but will do) 2) cow the other countries in the region (by seeing this display of force) into a) leaving Israel alone and meetingthe US economic demands for oil. At least Wolfowitz was honest when he talked about Iraq and that terrorism and WMD were simply a selling point. If they had actually had plans for after the war and set up a provisional governemnt back in 2003 and pulled out shortly thereafter I think the president would nto be stuck int he 30's for populartiy and I think the republicans may not have lost so badly yesterday. But I can not really gloat, there has been too much destruction brought about by this man, this administration and the think tank that powers their policy. Too much destruction of human life, of US prestige, our military, soverign nations. Gloating would be inappropriate. Now they really need to take this man and probe the hell out of him investiage his office and all they have done. Perhaps some good will come of it and perhaps those who have died will have died in order to teach us that we can not allow this sort of thing to happen in a democracy. I've said it before but I see a little girl every day at my kids school whose father died and it breaks my heart every time. because he thought he was going after osama and his AMTRAC was destroyed by a hellfire missile. She will grow up never knowing him. She was five when he died and he is already only a distant memory. BTW he died on March 23 2003 the same day that the Jessica Lynch convoy was ambushed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 he was in the CIA & NSC for 26 years, led the CIA for 2...my thoughts exactly.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 It's hard to imagine that just putting someone else in there -- another Iran-Contra figure from the past, for that matter -- is going to make some great difference. It's just nice to see Rumsfeld go, and I think it puts an exclamation point at the end of his career. I don't think we can really say he's resigned in disgrace, but I think he should feel that way! I agree that gloating isn't really the right emotion ... it's more like relief that at least we now have one branch of government that isn't Repig-controlled, and at least Rummy is finally off to the assisted-living facility. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 To me it's not as much about how much will actually change, but the symbolic act of leaving a job after you f-ed it up. If someone consistently performs poorly at work, they should either quit (or 'resign,' as politicians do) or be fired. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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