So, I'm reading "Wilco: Learning How to Die"

[oceanman]

I don't see what's so wrong with that logic. Jeff clearly spoke up for the Kot book. If what Jay said was totally wrong, why wouldn't he say something about it?

Because the book was not titled "Learning How To Cry",had nothing to do with Son Volt nor Jay,it was a book about Wilco.

[sleepymonkey]

Because the book was not titled "Learning How To Cry",had nothing to do with Son Volt nor Jay,it was a book about Wilco.

That's retarded logic. There was at least two chapters dedicated to the fall of Tupulo. It's too bad the writer wasn't more informed of this crucial event when he wrote it. It just made Jay out to be an asshole that couldn't get along with anyone. Well, I'd be pretty pissed too if my oldest friend and band mate made the moves on my girl.

Makes the rest of the book seem less than honest. I wonder what else Kot didn't know about.

Maybe Wilco was actually named after the gas station where the band was filling up on gas when Jeff grabbed Jay's girlfriend's boobie while he thought Jay was asleep.

[MattZ]

That's retarded logic. There was at least two chapters dedicated to the fall of Tupulo. It's too bad the writer wasn't more informed of this crucial event when he wrote it. It just made Jay out to be an asshole that couldn't get along with anyone.

 

It's also retarded to think that any biography -- or autobiography -- is going to be 100% accurate. Crucial facts are always omitted -- either because the subjects themselves don't want to disclose them for any number of reasons, or because two different people (i.e., Jeff and Jay) can look at a situation completely differently.

 

Uncle Tupelo was a union of (basically) two people. The "facts" leading up to their split could never be completely documented because there probably is no such thing. They disagreed on a lot of things. That's why they broke up.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

In Jeff's defense, Jay had ten years (give or take) to say something, and didn't until a year after the book came out.

 

Actually, Jay didn't say anything until he had a record coming out.

[caliber66]

Actually, Jay didn't say anything until he had a record coming out.

Actually, Jay didn't say anything until after the book was written, and he had a record coming out, and he was asked about UT's breakup for the millionth time in an interview. He had no fewer than five records that came out before Okemah and he didn't bring up the "incident" before then. I think the far more relevant event is the Kot book, but he could have felt like bringing it up, apropos of nothing, ten years down the road.

[TCP]

Actually, Jay didn't say anything until he had a record coming out.

Exactly, he only said that stuff right before he had his big Son Volt reunion record. Seems fishy too me.

[sleepymonkey]

A lot of Jay hate in this thread

Remember folks, he's the one who's girlfriend was practically raped by his best friend

I think he handled as well as he could

Jeff is lucky he can still walk

[caliber66]

A lot of Jay hate in this thread

Remember folks, he's the one who's girlfriend was practically raped by his best friend

I think he handled as well as he could

Jeff is lucky he can still walk

I'm on Jay's side here, but you're taking it a little too far. "Practically raped"? Relax, dude. You weren't there any more than any of us.

[Lammycat]

I read the book and tried to piece together clues about where Jay buried all the bodies but alas, nothing....

[cryptique]

Maybe Wilco was actually named after the gas station where the band was filling up on gas when Jeff grabbed Jay's girlfriend's boobie while he thought Jay was asleep.

Remember folks, he's the one who's girlfriend was practically raped by his best friend

So, Jeff stroked her hair, and on your own you decide to escalate the incident, first to grabbing her "boobie," then to "practically raped."

 

You're getting a little too excited about all this. Why don't you lock yourself in the bathroom with the latest WWE magazine and a box of Kleenex, and come back when your sexual frustration is no longer getting in the way of your thinking.

 

I'm on Jay's side here, but you're taking it a little too far. "Practically raped"? Relax, dude. You weren't there any more than any of us.

What he said.

[ction]

I was there.

 

edit: this is Jay's girlfriend

[caliber66]

Shut it. You're only speaking up because you have a record coming out.

[JUDE]

I hope Jay doesn't kick me in the face at the Son Volt show on Monday night.

[sleepymonkey]

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[theologian]

I have this book lying around someplace but only remember getting to about page 20. Was I in a bad mood that day or is it as badly written as I think?

[caliber66]

I didn't find it to be horribly written, but it's not Grapes of Wrath, that's for sure. It is what it is.

[misslaura]

A lot of Jay hate in this thread

Remember folks, he's the one who's girlfriend was practically raped by his best friend

I think he handled as well as he could

Jeff is lucky he can still walk

 

Huh? What incident was this? Jeff flirted with Jay's girlfriend and it led to the breakup of UT? I can't tell is this is serious or sarcastic.

[gogo]

From an interview with Jay Farrar in Relix magazine, reprinted in Glorious Noise:

 

"The most divisive incident occurred one night after a show," Farrar recalls, his voice trembling as he tries to remain

calm. "I was driving. My girlfriend of seven years (Monica Groth, now Farrar's wife) was in the van, and another friend of ours was in the front seat. My girlfriend was sleeping in the back seat and Mike was sleeping on the floor or something. "Jeff went in to get paid, and came back out," Farrar continues. "Then we were ready to go home. As I was driving, Jeff woke my girlfriend up and I saw a situation develop that I'd seem before. It was common knowledge that Jeff's pick-up routine was to start crying to elicit sympathy from whatever female he was attracted to. To any outsider it would have been a tragicomedy, because I'm punching on the brakes and punching the gas. "I found out later that he was telling her stuff, like, he loves her. He's always loved her. He thinks she's beautiful. In the rear view mirror I could see him stroking her hair. It was a nightmare. It was an affront to everything I considered important at that time. My girlfriend of seven years and the band. He was destroying all that in one stroke. And he was literally doing it behind my back and right in front of me at the same time. "Ever since that episode, every other issue between us was exacerbated by that. That was probably when I should have broken things up. After that I didn't have any respect for him. I felt that I couldn't trust him."

[cryptique]

Huh? What incident was this? Jeff flirted with Jay's girlfriend and it led to the breakup of UT? I can't tell is this is serious or sarcastic.

clicky

[benjamin]

Hmmmm. I don't know the whole story, but isn't this a bit like Eric Clapton vs. George Harrison. Didn't those 2 patch things up?

[gogo]

clicky

The Pitchfork article contains this line

 

In the lengthy Relix interview, Farrar tells journalist Antony DeCurtis that things started to unravel after he saw Tweedy stroke the hair of his girlfriend of seven years, Monica Groth (now his wife), as she was sleeping.

 

which, if you read the full quote above, is not true. I think there is a huge difference between waking her up and talking to her and then stroking her hair, and just stroking her hair while she was asleep.

[Spawn's dad]

I bet he hadn't slept in a holiday inn express the night before that interview.

[cryptique]

Jay acts like he's the only one who's ever had a friend hit on his old lady.

 

This is probably why he jettisoned the old Son Volt lineup -- can't keep too many of those lecherous, conniving men around for too long -- his wife might end up finding herself attracted to someone a little less controlling.

 

 

 

Yes, I'm (mostly) kidding.

[Edie]

 

Another one of these threads about something that happened so long ago. Frankly, I think the music world is better off with two bands instead of one. I don't think many people can argue that the sum of the parts > the whole.

[caliber66]

 

Another one of these threads about something that happened so long ago. Frankly, I think the music world is better off with two bands instead of one. I don't think many people can argue that the sum of the parts > the whole.

I like Uncle Tupelo and Wilco about the same. I'd probably be happy if they never broke up and just continued making music like they had been.