ction Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 GRRRRR... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basil II Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 women tend to cause bands to break up........ -Robert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 [quote name='JUDE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ction Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 women tend to cause bands to break up........ Definitely not the case with the other double singer/songwriter combo from the midwest I had in mind. Umlaut. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 ...I don't think bob mould was hitting on anybody's girlfriend though. Definitely not the case with the other double singer/songwriter combo from the midwest I had in mind. Umlaut. annnnnnnnndddd you already pretty much said that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 So, as I see it, basically it comes down to this: Jay got his panties in a wad (i.e., got upset) because he is being portrayed as a prima dona who couldn't share the spotlight. So, he lashed out with the worst thing he could remember: a drunk Jeff hitting on his girl friend. Of course after this episode, he recorded an album with Jeff; made a trip to Europe and toured with Jeff; lost two drummers, gained one in the band with Jeff; gained a bass player in the band with Jeff; gained a multi instrumentalist in the band with Jeff; signed a major Record label deal with Jeff; went to Austin with Jeff; recorded album with with Jeff...THEN QUIT. I call bullshit. If it's about control, the own up to it. Jeff fired Jay (Bennet) because he wanted his band back. Jay quit the band because it was going in a direction he didn't like and his vision no longer coincided with Jeff's. That's the bottom line. Anything else is character assassination. :lol You're still hung up on the "fact" that Jay broke up the band because of the incident in the van, which is not something he claims, unless you're reading a different interview than I am. He was using that incident as an example of something that came between them. Real friendships, good or bad, are filled with these kinds of incidents. I could tell you about the time a friend of mine went to a party with my girlfriend and me, and when I turned away, he tried to kiss her. This was 1996 or so, and we're still friends. We were both drunk, and I was pissed, but we worked it out. Now we haven't recorded an album together since then, but we hadn't before either, so make of that what you will. As to the bolded part of your post, that's pretty much what Jay says in the article. cf. my previous post*, which you replied to, but may or may not have read. There's nothing wrong with Jay using examples to illustrate his version of the group dynamic in Uncle Tupelo. Read the Kot book - it's riddled with them, and oddly enough is not character assasination, despite the fact that it's biased toward Jeff's version of events. *actually, it was my response to you previous to the post to which you responded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I'd like to go on the record and state that if I were drunk and wearing zebra-stripe spandex pants under ripped jeans and a matching tuxedo jacket circa 1988, I'd totally grope a bandmembers girlfreind if she were hot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 :lol You're still hung up on the "fact" that Jay broke up the band because of the incident in the van, which is not something he claims, unless you're reading a different interview than I am. He was using that incident as an example of something that came between them. Real friendships, good or bad, are filled with these kinds of incidents. I could tell you about the time a friend of mine went to a party with my girlfriend and me, and when I turned away, he tried to kiss her. This was 1996 or so, and we're still friends. We were both drunk, and I was pissed, but we worked it out. Now we haven't recorded an album together since then, but we hadn't before either, so make of that what you will. As to the bolded part of your post, that's pretty much what Jay says in the article. cf. my previous post*, which you replied to, but may or may not have read. There's nothing wrong with Jay using examples to illustrate his version of the group dynamic in Uncle Tupelo. Read the Kot book - it's riddled with them, and oddly enough is not character assasination, despite the fact that it's biased toward Jeff's version of events. *actually, it was my response to you previous to the post to which you responded. Sigh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I totally sympathize with Jeff and Jay's sides on this. I think they're right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I totally sympathize with which ever guy puts me on retainer. The other guy is totally wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Account: fan.boy. .2 Review client correspondence Total: $75 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I l o eled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 I can't believe that this is being talked about quite honestly. I haven't read the book and don't plan on it. For whatever reason, I've always felt that a bands personal life is better left personal. I know that Kot was careful to avoid a lot of the kiss and tell stuff. At any rate, nice little interview with Jay in this Chicago Tribune metromix piece: linky Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shabba rich Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 It was common knowledge that Jeff's pick-up routine was to start crying to elicit sympathy from whatever female he was attracted to. That Jay would mention this in the retelling of the story indicates to me that his motives are more axe-grinding as opposed to setting the historical record straight. It doesn't shed any more light on what happened in that vehicle that night, and it's only purpose would seem to be to stick it to Jeff. Besides, what kind of rock star starts crying to get laid? That's a tactic for the rest of us schlubs, and it even works sometimes too, but not on goths or bodybuilders. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Account: fan.boy. .2 Review client correspondence Total: $75To the distinguished gentleman from TX: You KNOW you used to be nicer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 I can't believe that this is being talked about quite honestly. I haven't read the book and don't plan on it. For whatever reason, I've always felt that a bands personal life is better left personal. I know that Kot was careful to avoid a lot of the kiss and tell stuff. At any rate, nice little interview with Jay in this Chicago Tribune metromix piece: linky Son Volt's Jay Farrar searches for an escapeBy Matt Pais Jay Farrar's career has taken so many twists and turns that it's no wonder he's learned to just enjoy the ride. The Belleville, Ill.-born singer for Son Volt--the alt-country act that recently released "The Search"--fronted Uncle Tupelo with Jeff Tweedy, now Wilco's frontman, before the two had a falling out. Farrar also gave life to two different incarnations of Son Volt, released several solo albums and collaborated with another group, Gob Iron. From St. Louis, where he's now based, Farrar talked to us about "The Search," the makings of a Son Volt reality show, and his ownership--or lack thereof--of a former bandmate's albums. If "The Search" was a reality show, what would it be? Ah, boy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 "I don't own any Wilco albums" ≠ "Wilco sucks" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 ≠ Now there's a character I don't know the ASCII code for... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Now there's a character I don't know the ASCII code for...Open WordInsert --> SymbolCtrl+C, Ctrl+V Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Open WordInsert --> SymbolCtrl+C, Ctrl+VYeah, I know -- there's no ASCII for it, I was kidding. I like it, though -- so much more elegant than "" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Why don't you just come out and say that you hate Jay Farrar? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 My feelings for Jay Farrar hatred. Or should I say, ≠. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Character assassination. (thread assassination?) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wilco LP #7 Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 I think it's possible that this book is divisive amongst Wilco fans? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
napoleon Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Or should I say, ≠. is that a fat joke? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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