MLB 2007

[MrRain422]

A lineup of A-Rods would score less than 4 runs a game because when 1 of them was hot the other 8 would suck and when the other 8 was hot the 1 would suck. And at any given time, 3 to 4 of them would be distracting the other 6 or 7 that were trying to just play baseball.

 

A team of A-Rods (average over his career) would score 8.03 runs/game. A team of 2007 A-Rods would score 8.69 runs/game.

 

Mariners World Series titles=0

Rangers World Series titles=0

Yankees World Series titles since A-Rod joined the team=0

 

Stats are nice, but it's all about the rings.

 

And none of that has anything to do with anyone else on his team, or any of the competition. You're right, Scott Brosius was much more valuable than A-Rod.

 

A-Rod won't be earning his money until he's pitching 300 innings a year on top of everything else he does.

[bobbob1313]

Mariners World Series titles=0

Rangers World Series titles=0

Yankees World Series titles since A-Rod joined the team=0

 

Stats are nice, but it's all about the rings.

 

The 95 Mariners had one good starter. Everyone else sucked.

The 96 Mariners had 2 good starters who pitched a total of 130 innings. They had an ERA+ of 95 as a team.

The 97 Mariners had 3 good starters, but everyone else on that staff was so bad that they still had an ERA+ of 94.

The 1998 Mariners had the same problem as the 97 Mariners, except that Randy Johnson wasn't even good in 98. ERA+ of 94.

The 99 Mariners had 4 above average starters and still ended up with a team ERA+ of 96.

The 2000 Mariners had the best pitching in Arod's years there, with an ERA+ of 101. They made it to the ALCS and lost to one of the greatest dynasties ever.

The 2001 Texas Rangers had historically bad pitching, with an ERA+ of 78 (That is park adjusted).

The 2002 Rangers had a 95 ERA+. Arod had his best season while the rest of the team watched.

The 2003 Rangers had one starter who was above average. 87 ERA+.

The 2004 Yankees were one of the most overachieving teams of all time, with a Pythagorean W/L of 89-73 and a real W/L of 101-61. That was a team that was bound to disapoint in the playoffs. 96 ERA+.

The 2005 Yankees were slightly better than the 04 Yankees, mostly because Arod had a monster year. Their pitching was still below average with an ERA+ 0f 98.

The 2006 Yankees had an ERA+ of 99, the 2nd best of any team Arod has played for. They ran into a hot team with great pitching (117 ERA+) in the division series and their entire team's bats went cold.

 

If Arod could pitch well he may have won one by now. Unfortunately, he's only played for one team with even slightlyu above average pitching.

 

(ERA+ is a park and era adjusted stat that measures how above and below average a team's ERA is. 100 is average, below 100 is below average, above 100 is above average.)

[MattZ]

Maybe for my grand plan for all-star wkd, ARod's team doesn't have to field or pitch. Let's just figure out what the avg # of runs is and give that to the other team. Spot them 4 runs, say, and A-Rod just keeps hitting until he makes 27 outs. After every 3 outs, his imaginary runners are cleared away and he starts as if it's a new inning.

 

Then, make it a good (not great) pitching/fielding team that he is going up against. Maybe the Indians? Or the Braves?

 

See what happens. This can be done.

 

EDIT: The Sports Guy does this for a living. Such bullshit.

[bobbob1313]

You could find people who run as fast as home to run for him. And everytime there's an infield fly, they'd have to yell "Got it" at the fielders.

[MattZ]

All imaginary runners slide spikes up in total dick-move mode!!

[MrRain422]

The 95 Mariners had one good starter. Everyone else sucked.

The 96 Mariners had 2 good starters who pitched a total of 130 innings. They had an ERA+ of 95 as a team.

The 97 Mariners had 3 good starters, but everyone else on that staff was so bad that they still had an ERA+ of 94.

The 1998 Mariners had the same problem as the 97 Mariners, except that Randy Johnson wasn't even good in 98. ERA+ of 94.

The 99 Mariners had 4 above average starters and still ended up with a team ERA+ of 96.

The 2000 Mariners had the best pitching in Arod's years there, with an ERA+ of 101. They made it to the ALCS and lost to one of the greatest dynasties ever.

The 2001 Texas Rangers had historically bad pitching, with an ERA+ of 78 (That is park adjusted).

The 2002 Rangers had a 95 ERA+. Arod had his best season while the rest of the team watched.

The 2003 Rangers had one starter who was above average. 87 ERA+.

The 2004 Yankees were one of the most overachieving teams of all time, with a Pythagorean W/L of 89-73 and a real W/L of 101-61. That was a team that was bound to disapoint in the playoffs. 96 ERA+.

The 2005 Yankees were slightly better than the 04 Yankees, mostly because Arod had a monster year. Their pitching was still below average with an ERA+ 0f 98.

The 2006 Yankees had an ERA+ of 99, the 2nd best of any team Arod has played for. They ran into a hot team with great pitching (117 ERA+) in the division series and their entire team's bats went cold.

 

If Arod could pitch well he may have won one by now. Unfortunately, he's only played for one team with even slightlyu above average pitching.

 

(ERA+ is a park and era adjusted stat that measures how above and below average a team's ERA is. 100 is average, below 100 is below average, above 100 is above average.)

 

 

Wow, doing a little research makes the point a whole lot better than a couple of sarcastic zingers.

 

I stand by my obnoxious post anyway.

[MrRain422]

The following players never won a World Series, and therefore are terrible at baseball:

 

Ted Williams

Ernie Banks

Barry Bonds

Ty Cobb

 

Ty Cobb simply was not gritty enough.

[bobbob1313]

Great players who have never won a World Series (and thusly are shitty because they never made it):

Ken Griffey Jr.

Sammy Sosa

Frank Thomas

Edgar Martinez

Jeff Bagwell

Craig Biggio

Tony Gwynn

 

Hall of Famers to never play in a World Series(Ditto on the shittiness):

Ernie Banks

Billy Williams

Rod Carew

Luke Appling

Ryne Sandberg

Harry Heilman

George Sisler

Al Lopez

Rick Ferrell

George Kell

Nap Lajoie

Miller Huggins

Bobby Wallace

Ralph Kiner

 

(Just a few of the) Shitty players who won tons of rings:

Frankie Crosetti 8

Hank Bauer 7

Johnny Murphy 7

Vic Raschi 7

Joe Collins 6

Jerry Coleman 6

Ramiro Mendoza 4

Scott Brosius 3

 

 

I mean, in the past 10 years, 2 teams have won 6 world series (Yankees and Marlins). So to fault A-Rod for not winning one in that span is just stupid.

[Sir Stewart]

Gwynn wasn't on the Padres team that got swept by the Yankees?

[bobbob1313]

Gwynn wasn't on the Padres team that got swept by the Yankees?

 

That should (And will) say never won a world series.

 

Gwynn went to 2 (lost to the tigers in 83?), and biggio and Bagwell both made it. And I knew that. I'm dumb.

[Sir Stewart]

Ahh. I'm just shocked I had a real-life baseball stat in my head.

[MrRain422]

Gwynn went to 2 (lost to the tigers in 83?), and biggio and Bagwell both made it. And I knew that. I'm dumb.

 

It was '84. Believe it or not, the 1983 World Series was won by the Orioles.

[Chris_H_2]

All the fireworks at Wrigley Field today and no posts yet?

 

I'll start: Michael Barrett just solidified his trade from the Cubs by the trade deadline. In my opinion, the Cubs need to purge themselves of both clowns (Barrett and Zambrano). Enough is enough.

 

The Cubs have not been the same since they traded Damien Miller.

[yankhotelfox]

(Just a few of the) Shitty players who won tons of rings:

Frankie Crosetti 8

Hank Bauer 7

Johnny Murphy 7

Vic Raschi 7

Joe Collins 6

Jerry Coleman 6

Ramiro Mendoza 4

Scott Brosius 3

 

Brosius was definitely not "shitty." He was no superstar. He was an awesome defensive third baseman (the best the Yanks have had in a while) and had a few good years with the bat, plus he was a major part of the clubhouse chemistry during the dynasty years. Mendoza, I agree with, but Scotty made his contributions.

 

What is this "ERA+ of 99 ERA+ of 96" business? I do not understand.

[MrRain422]

ERA+ is basically a measure of where a pitcher ranks with the rest of the league. A pitcher with an ERA that is exactly league average will have an ERA+ of 100. A pitcher who's ERA is 50% better than league average would have an ERA+ of 150, etc. So basically, an ERA+ of 96 means that he was 4% worse than league average.

 

It is also adjusted to reflect the park that a pitcher is pitching in (to recognize the fact that a pitcher in, say, Arizona, is going to give up more runs than one pitching in San Diego, simply because of the park that he's pitching in).

[yankhotelfox]

I knew Giambi's injury was bad

 

ERA+ is basically a measure of where a pitcher ranks with the rest of the league. A pitcher with an ERA that is exactly league average will have an ERA+ of 100. A pitcher who's ERA is 50% better than league average would have an ERA+ of 150, etc. So basically, an ERA+ of 96 means that he was 4% worse than league average.

 

 

Thanks. Gotcha.

[caliber66]

I'd have to say "gettin' booty" is probably the one category that Jeter can beat Arod in now that Arod's married and all. Not that's he's stopped trying, apparently.

Well, now that ARod's wife's been seen leaving the house with luggage, it may be all Bachelor Party 2: Electric Pajama Jammy Jam goin on up in the Rodriguez household.

 

Imaginery runner on 2nd base.

"ghost man on first"

 

All imaginary runners slide spikes up in total dick-move mode!!

[bjorn_skurj]

The 95 Mariners had one good starter. Everyone else sucked.

The 96 Mariners had 2 good starters who pitched a total of 130 innings. They had an ERA+ of 95 as a team.

The 97 Mariners had 3 good starters, but everyone else on that staff was so bad that they still had an ERA+ of 94.

The 1998 Mariners had the same problem as the 97 Mariners, except that Randy Johnson wasn't even good in 98. ERA+ of 94.

The 99 Mariners had 4 above average starters and still ended up with a team ERA+ of 96.

The 2000 Mariners had the best pitching in Arod's years there, with an ERA+ of 101. They made it to the ALCS and lost to one of the greatest dynasties ever.

The 2001 Texas Rangers had historically bad pitching, with an ERA+ of 78 (That is park adjusted).

The 2002 Rangers had a 95 ERA+. Arod had his best season while the rest of the team watched.

The 2003 Rangers had one starter who was above average. 87 ERA+.

The 2004 Yankees were one of the most overachieving teams of all time, with a Pythagorean W/L of 89-73 and a real W/L of 101-61. That was a team that was bound to disapoint in the playoffs. 96 ERA+.

The 2005 Yankees were slightly better than the 04 Yankees, mostly because Arod had a monster year. Their pitching was still below average with an ERA+ 0f 98.

The 2006 Yankees had an ERA+ of 99, the 2nd best of any team Arod has played for. They ran into a hot team with great pitching (117 ERA+) in the division series and their entire team's bats went cold.

 

If Arod could pitch well he may have won one by now. Unfortunately, he's only played for one team with even slightlyu above average pitching.

 

(ERA+ is a park and era adjusted stat that measures how above and below average a team's ERA is. 100 is average, below 100 is below average, above 100 is above average.)

Dude, I'm from New York. All that is blah blah blah. A-Rod was brought to the Yankees to win the World Series. Until he leads the Yankees to a World Series title, he will be thought of as bitch, overrated and not good in the clutch. If Steinbrenner was the Steinbrenner of old, he would be ripping Alex like he used to rip Dave Winfield.

[MrRain422]

I don't think that Earl was saying any of that to argue that A-Rod won't be thought of that way, just that he shouldn't be. But yeah, reality won't change the fact that many Yankees fans completely irrational and illogical.

[Lammycat]

RAIN DELAY

 

You'll have to wait another half hour to watch the match up, Earl.

[bjorn_skurj]

I don't think that Earl was saying any of that to argue that A-Rod won't be thought of that way, just that he shouldn't be. But yeah, reality won't change the fact that many Yankees fans completely irrational and illogical.

It's not irrational. They just have a heightened expectation level. While fans of other teams are relieved if their team wins a Series in their lifetime, any season short of the ring is a failure in Yankeesworld. And if Rodriguez had never come to the Yankees, I figure Giambi would be the target of all the angst. Sure, it's misdirected - Brian Cashman is to blame if anyone is, but sometimes these things happen. And as we all know, the Yankees' "special relationship" with the Phila./KC A's had a lot do with their dominance in years past. Free agency has compensated for that, but perhaps not fully. And they've had some bad luck this year with starting pitching.

[MrRain422]

How is it not irrational? The idea that they haven't won a World Series since they acquired A-Rod and therefore it is A-Rod's fault that they haven't won in that time (and by extension, in the case of some fans, that getting rid of A-Rod is the key to winning in the future) is the very definition of irrational.

[MrRain422]

I didn't see Gary Sheffield's confrontation with the ump the other night, so I can't really form an opinion on whether his ejection was justified or not, but I really wish he'd stop talking about an MLB conspiracy regarding his suspension. It just makes him sound crazy.

[bjorn_skurj]

How is it not irrational? The idea that they haven't won a World Series since they acquired A-Rod and therefore it is A-Rod's fault that they haven't won in that time (and by extension, in the case of some fans, that getting rid of A-Rod is the key to winning in the future) is the very definition of irrational.

I think the logic goes something like if he's the highest-paid player in baseball and so friggin' great, the least he could do is carry his team in October, like good ol' Reggie used to do.

[bobbob1313]

A good example of why single playoff series don't mean anything once you've accrued a significant amount of at bats:

 

Reggie Jackson in LSC (Career): .227 BA .298 OBP .380 SLG

 

Reggie Jackson in WS (Career): .357 BA .457 OBP .755 SLG

 

Reggie Jackson in PS (Career): .278 BA .358 OBP .527 SLG

 

Reggie Jackson (Career): .262 BA .356 OBP .490 SLG

 

The guy who is pretty much universally regarded as the best post season performer in history is marginally better in the post season than in the regular season, and this is only becuase he had one ridiculous world series. Take that out, and he's actually worse than his career avg.