Drugs

[Mr. Kinsley]

In high school I was the one ultra-nerdy kid who couldn't figure out where to get anything that resembled a drug. I really wasn't interested in it, but I always wondered where it all came from. I remember asking out loud in the middle of campus, "Where does everybody even buy their pot?!?!" and about 15 - 20 kids started to scatter immediately. NOt only did I rule out ever getting into any drugs, I also simultaneously ruled out a career in espionage.

[bjorn_skurj]

Pot, 'shrooms and acid are the hippie axis of drugs; coke is more of a drug for people who aren't hippies, although it really wasn't that way back in the old days.

[EL the Famous]

isn't coke more addictive than musrooms, pot, etc.? that's pretty much why i've never tried anything outside your standard hippy fare. also, heroin is such a bad, bad way to destroy your life...if i could rid the world of it, i'd do it in a heartbeat.

[bjorn_skurj]

Cocaine and any kind of opiate are exceedingly physically addictive. Weed is psychologically addictive - if you're out of supply, you will be cranky, but you won't have a "Trainspotting" kind of episode. Same goes for 'shrooms and acid and X, but if you do those on a regular basis for any length of time, you run a serious risk of going insane.

[Edie]

isn't coke more addictive than musrooms, pot, etc.? that's pretty much why i've never tried anything outside your standard hippy fare. also, heroin is such a bad, bad way to destroy your life...if i could rid the world of it, i'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

hmmm kinda, though I have a friend who went from well adjusted to clinically schizophrenic over a couple year period at college in OR due to overuse of mushrooms. Though maybe she had that jimsonweed mentioned above; that shit sounds whack (and well, terrifying).

 

I took peyote one time -- it tasted so horrible that I couldn't take enough to get off. Thanks god, frankly.

[Lammycat]

Same goes for 'shrooms and acid and X, but if you do those on a regular basis for any length of time, you run a serious risk of going insane.

I disagree. I think you can do acid once and have a horrible experience that can mess you up a bit for good, and conversely do it many, many times and come out fine through the other end. It has so much to do with mental/physical make-up (this isn't to say weak-minded people freak out moreso on the stuff, either).

 

Although Leary said one time, iirc, and this is a paraphrase: people with Volswaagon-engine minds shouldn't play with Cadillac-engine drugs.

 

ed. Bjorn, I realize you wrote "run a serious risk" and I'd agree that the more you do the deeper you tend to swim into bad/scary/dangerous water.

[bjorn_skurj]

My take on hallucinogens is that they're like a stress test for your mind. If something's wrong up in there, it will come out when you're tripping. With Ecstasy, it's known that it causes the brain to dump a goodly portion of neurotransmitters at once and if that is done repeatedly, it permanently alters brain chemistry, and not in a good way. So, my advice to anyone reading is be careful with those kinds of things.

[Lammycat]

My take on hallucinogens is that they're like a stress test for your mind. If something's wrong up in there, it will come out when you're tripping.

I'll agree with this.

[a.miller]

i've had shrooms before, but i wouldn't ever try coke. i don't know where i got the idea that coke is harder than shrooms, but the idea of taking coke just scares me.

I'm the other way around. Never 'shrooms, once coke. All I know is that it wasn't as heady as I expected, in a sense of drunkeness or being stoned. It made me feel super positive, energetic and great.....for 20 minutes. But you can't sleep...at all. And I know what they mean by the comedown -- it is awful. Like the flu times 10. Once was enough.

[Atticus]

I remember how in college a drug problem was not being able to find any to buy

[G_willy]

I am not necessarily promoting mind altering substances, but I can tell you that every time I have taken some blots, it seems to be life changing for the better. It turned both of my brothers vegans and you can really sort some shit out while trippin. But I think there are alot of people in fragile states of mind that these sorts of things would rock there world in a bad way.

 

also, I have never done blow off the simple fact of its addictivness, thats what scares me...not being on the drug. I think mind altering drugs have more effect on you while you are on them, but then again how many people ruin there lives with that garbage

[Guest Jules]

With Ecstasy, it's known that it causes the brain to dump a goodly portion of neurotransmitters at once and if that is done repeatedly, it permanently alters brain chemistry, and not in a good way. So, my advice to anyone reading is be careful with those kinds of things.

This was my understanding as well, which is why I always thought of it as more dangerous than cocaine. It doesn't really matter; it's all bad shit. Knowing what coke does to the heart is what scares me the most.

[froggie]

tried acid once - NEVER again!

[Atticus]

I think this quote from Milch bears repeating in this thread:

 

"Believe me, whatever starts you being a junkie, what keeps you being a junkie is the fear of how sick you're going to be if you stop," Milch told us during a discussion of this episode. "That's the fundamental hold the disease has on you."

[plasticeyeball]

I was under the impression that the drug problem in our country has grown over the last 10-20 years so I'm finding it pretty interesting that across a broad cross section of people here, everyone has been very conservative in their drug use compared to say, the late 80's.

 

I can't/wouldn't/shouldn't say how many times I have done most of that list up there and so had almost everyone I know from back in the olden days but this was 20 years ago.

 

Now I'm not as afraid of my kids getting older as I once was.

[embiggen]

when I was in college, I did quite a lot of acid. last time I did it, it made me so very sick and I will never do it again.

 

when I was 18, I tried meth not knowing how horrible it was; my friends just called it speed so I hand no idea what I was getting in to. I was awake for hours and hours and it stayed in my body for at least a week until I projectile vomited all over the bathroom one morning. nasty, nasty, horrible stuff.

[Atticus]

Dear Wise Sir Stewart,

 

Are you conducting marketing research?

 

Your friend (and potential silent partner),

 

A. Poongoogler

[Leo]

every time I have taken some blots, it seems to be life changing for the better. It turned both of my brothers vegans and you can really sort some shit out while trippin.

G, be careful.

That is just outrageous nonsense.

Rationalizing and justifying using by stating that you can really sort shit out is the disease talking.

I had friends and relatives that died because they thought that way. They were brilliant, beautiful people. They're gone now.

Be careful.

[radiokills]

people on this forum have done crack/meth and heroine?

 

shadyyyy

[Analogman]

G, be careful.

That is just outrageous nonsense.

Rationalizing and justifying using by stating that you can really sort shit out is the disease talking.

I had friends and relatives that died because they thought that way. They were brilliant, beautiful people. They're gone now.

Be careful.

 

blessed be

[tapmyglass]

Dear Wise Sir Stewart,

 

Are you conducting marketing research?

 

Your friend (and potential silent partner),

 

A. Poongoogler

 

or are you an undercorver and this is the big VC drug crackdown I have heard rumors about?

 

 

because if thats the case, I definitly didnt inhale

[Duck-Billed Catechist]

In my world, it's been a pretty generally accepted rule that doing coke is kind of a bigger deal than doing acid/x/shrooms.

As someone who's done none of the above, I agree. I kinda suspect that those arguing otherwise are trying to jive their view of themselves (and how they seem themselves in relation to other people) with their actual drug history.

 

Note: This is a not a comment on any specific posters as I have only vaguely paid attention to who's arguing for what. It's more or less a guess.

[bjorn_skurj]

LSD was originally used in psychotherapy; therapists reported some pretty good results with it. I will say, as I have said, that I didn't really appreciate nature, art and love until I took acid. That said, I believe that it should be used sparingly, in the right circumstances, in the proper environment and with people you trust. And it's not for everybody. (Different than saying "not for anybody.")

[sureshot]

most i've done is shrooms, which was once. it was a mixed experience. it would have been better if it was a more favorable setting and i can definitely see how it could be a positive life changing drug if done in the proper context. i had wanted it to be a deep, insightful experience during the day in the comfort of my house. we wound up doing it at a friends house at night with a lot of random people walking in and out, which made me slightly paranoid and detached. also, the naseua i got early on never went away, which didnt really help. even though i didnt take a huge dose, i could definitely feel the power of the drug. on the other hand, i had some awesome visuals (the best was i had a bottle of fiji water on the table and the light refracted through it creating all sorts of prisms and rainbows across the room. the colors of the room constanly changed and the walls melted. but i never saw a true "hallucination" i.e. something that wasnt there). with that said, salvia is what scares the begeezus out of me. from the stories i've heard, i cant believe that stuff is legal. im pretty sure i will never touch it, even if someone payed me. the thing about shrooms is, i never felt completely out of control or lost touch with reality. salvia seems to be the equivalent of 10 acid hits compacted into a 10 minute period. no thanks.

[oceanman]

First off Booze should be damn near the top of that list.This thread is as rude as it gets.I'm sure their are some of us on VC that are going through and dealing with addictions.As adults,we need to set examples for the youngsters on here.Braging about drug use isin't that cool peoples.I will be not returning to VC until this thread is closed.