It's time!

[Edie]

Good point.. I can't argue with that one.. But it still doesn't make it right to give immigrants free health care.. It's giving them an invitation to come over here, live off of our government, commit crime, etc etc etc.. Hell, I don't blame the immigrants themselves. Even though it's morally wrong, but I mean shit, they come from absolutely nothing.. Absolutly nothing in Mexico is worse than absolutely nothing in the U.S.

 

Do you think they all do that? Who do you think is washing the dishes in the restaurant you ate in last night, and sending most of their (taxed) paychecks back to Mexico?

[lamradio]

Do you think they all do that? Who do you think is washing the dishes in the restaurant you ate in last night, and sending most of their (taxed) paychecks back to Mexico?

 

No, they defintely don't all do that and I suppose I should have made that clear.. In fact, a lot of them are great, hard working people. But they are still here illegally.

[Reni]

plus isn't there an issue here of simple human decency......if you came across a person who dying and needed your help, would you not try and help them? Just because someone doesn't have a document, doesn't make them less human. If they show up at a clinic for medical care, should they not receive care??

 

Hell, you can even bend the argument into a self serving one - public health concerns. Wouldn't you rather have everyone around you immunized, healthy, etc and less of a risk to you and yours??

 

Also, do you not realize that most illegal immigrants to the U.S. work hard and are desperately trying to escape abject poverty? And a lot of the poverty created in Mexico, Guatemala, etc is in direct relation to the abuses of international business and capitalist gain? (I don't have time to explain everything here about corporate land grabs, pushing sustenance farmers off their land, immigrating to the border towns to survive in maquillas, living in cardboard shacks while making your consumer goods, living in trash, etc)

 

You can have a $500 TV made in Mexico by people who make $1.25 a day......or you can pay more for your TV, pay the workers in Mexico more and then maybe they wouldn't be so desperate. Next time you bring up this argument, look at all the material things you have, and the cheap cost for which you paid......are you willing to give up your "things" and live simply, paying more for food, clothing, household items, etc to keep immigrants out?? Think about it.

[cryptique]

I would like my government to make yard workers bag their leaves and clippings rather than power-blowing them into the street or onto the neighboring property

 

which political party will help me achieve that goal?

I would like my government to outlaw ticket-scalping in any form -- i.e., ticket brokers.

 

Which political party will help me achieve that goal?

 

 

_{Sorry, my mind is still blown by the $215 Wilco tickets that were available on one site less than an hour after they'd gone on sale this morning.}

[Reni]

it just boggles my mind how much the illegal immigration issue gets people so heated up. It's like you are all just being snowed......

 

it's like, "hey, lets whip the people up in a frenzy over poor immigrants who are trying to survive, so we can do a lot more sinister shit like go to war with Iraq and Iran, make billions of dollars on non-bid contracts, and continually get away with fraud, corruption and unconstitutional bullshit. If we paint the poor people as the villains, they won't even think to look at what we're up to!!"

 

Your anger just seems so misdirected.

 

Your government has spent BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars to depose a leader in Iraq, that wasn't a threat to the national security of the US, has lost thousands of US solders and as created a situation where tens of thousands of people have perished all while US companies, mercenaries, etc continue to rake in UNREAL amounts of money?? The fraud and waste is unreal!!! And you are worried about Mexicans getting some health care??

 

well, fuckin a.

[Good Old Neon]

No, they defintely don't all do that and I suppose I should have made that clear.. In fact, a lot of them are great, hard working people. But they are still here illegally.

 

As were many of our decendents

[Good Old Neon]

plus isn't there an issue here of simple human decency......if you came across a person who dying and needed your help, would you not try and help them? Just because someone doesn't have a document, doesn't make them less human. If they show up at a clinic for medical care, should they not receive care??

 

Hell, you can even bend the argument into a self serving one - public health concerns. Wouldn't you rather have everyone around you immunized, healthy, etc and less of a risk to you and yours??

 

Also, do you not realize that most illegal immigrants to the U.S. work hard and are desperately trying to escape abject poverty? And a lot of the poverty created in Mexico, Guatemala, etc is in direct relation to the abuses of international business and capitalist gain? (I don't have time to explain everything here about corporate land grabs, pushing sustenance farmers off their land, immigrating to the border towns to survive in maquillas, living in cardboard shacks while making your consumer goods, living in trash, etc)

 

You can have a $500 TV made in Mexico by people who make $1.25 a day......or you can pay more for your TV, pay the workers in Mexico more and then maybe they wouldn't be so desperate. Next time you bring up this argument, look at all the material things you have, and the cheap cost for which you paid......are you willing to give up your "things" and live simply, paying more for food, clothing, household items, etc to keep immigrants out?? Think about it.

 

Bingo!

 

it just boggles my mind how much the illegal immigration issue gets people so heated up. It's like you are all just being snowed......

 

it's like, "hey, lets whip the people up in a frenzy over poor immigrants who are trying to survive, so we can do a lot more sinister shit like go to war with Iraq and Iran, make billions of dollars on non-bid contracts, and continually get away with fraud, corruption and unconstitutional bullshit. If we paint the poor people as the villains, they won't even think to look at what we're up to!!"

 

Your anger just seems so misdirected.

 

Your government has spent BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars to depose a leader in Iraq, that wasn't a threat to the national security of the US, has lost thousands of US solders and as created a situation where tens of thousands of people have perished all while US companies, mercenaries, etc continue to rake in UNREAL amounts of money?? The fraud and waste is unreal!!! And you are worried about Mexicans getting some health care??

 

well, fuckin a.

 

and double Bingo!!!

 

[lamradio]

plus isn't there an issue here of simple human decency......if you came across a person who dying and needed your help, would you not try and help them? Just because someone doesn't have a document, doesn't make them less human. If they show up at a clinic for medical care, should they not receive care??

 

Hell, you can even bend the argument into a self serving one - public health concerns. Wouldn't you rather have everyone around you immunized, healthy, etc and less of a risk to you and yours??

 

If those programs weren't there, then they wouldn't be flowing in by the thousands and we wouldnt have to worry about them being a risk. I'm sorry that they were born in Mexico and into poverty.. I really am... But we can't let our country suffer for other peoples problems... It's just setting a bad precedent for our country as a whole. We can't have a "free for all" attitude, because too many people will take advantage of us for it.

[Tweedling]

It's like you are all just being snowed......

It's good to see you've got it ALL figured out.

 

And you are worried about ILLEGAL Mexicans getting some health care??

 

Yes

[lamradio]

As were many of our decendents

[IRememberDBoon]

Father/daughter talk...

 

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

 

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

 

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

 

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

 

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?" She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

 

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

 

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"

 

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican party."

 

If anyone has a better explanation of the difference between Republican and Democrat I'm all ears.

 

please take woody guthrie's picture off of your sig. thanks. kay. bye.

[IRememberDBoon]

I know, but when your talking taxes, you would be amazed how much money goes to that.. I know it because my mother works at a free clinic.. It's definitely not a Republican idea to give the illegal immigrants free healthcare..

 

 

what should we do with sick illegal immigrants?? what should we do with one that's arm is cut off?? please answer. thanks.

[lamradio]

please take woody guthrie's picture off of your sig. thanks. kay. bye.

 

Well first of all, why? And second.. I don't incorporate politics with music.. Never have, never will. Woody was a brilliant songwriter and musician who has inspired many, so thats why he's in my sig.

 

Oh wait, I was supposed to stop posting in this thread.. haha.. Sorry if I have pissed some off.. I'm just speaking my mind. I try to make a point not to talk politics or religion because they are both incredibly complicated topics, but every once and a while I'll slip up.. So.... Anyway.. Wilco rules!

[cryptique]

what should we do with sick illegal immigrants?? what should we do with one that's arm is cut off?? please answer. thanks.

Treat them and send the bill to their home country's government.

 

 

I'm kidding, kind of. I don't really have a position on the whole illegal immigration thing, because it's not a major issue for me.

[MrRain422]

Father/daughter talk...

 

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

 

She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

 

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

 

Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

 

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?" She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

 

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

 

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"

 

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican party."

 

If anyone has a better explanation of the difference between Republican and Democrat I'm all ears.

 

 

If the last 7 years have taught us anything, it is that success in the Republican party is based solely on merit and has nothing at all to do with cronyism.

[ikol]

It's more like this:

 

SOCIAL SECURITY/MEDICARE

 

DEFENSE

 

TRANSPORTATION

 

EDUCATION

 

"free healthcare for immigrants"

 

Fixed it!

[OOO]

I was going to vote for Obama, but I'm a Huckabee man now

[yermom]

I was going to vote for Obama, but I'm a Huckabee man now

I watched that. Huck was very quick to assure Colbert that he would not be joining him "at the alter."

[bjorn_skurj]

it just boggles my mind how much the illegal immigration issue gets people so heated up. It's like you are all just being snowed......

 

it's like, "hey, lets whip the people up in a frenzy over poor immigrants who are trying to survive, so we can do a lot more sinister shit like go to war with Iraq and Iran, make billions of dollars on non-bid contracts, and continually get away with fraud, corruption and unconstitutional bullshit. If we paint the poor people as the villains, they won't even think to look at what we're up to!!"

 

Your anger just seems so misdirected.

 

Your government has spent BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars to depose a leader in Iraq, that wasn't a threat to the national security of the US, has lost thousands of US solders and as created a situation where tens of thousands of people have perished all while US companies, mercenaries, etc continue to rake in UNREAL amounts of money?? The fraud and waste is unreal!!! And you are worried about Mexicans getting some health care??

 

well, fuckin a.

Well said. I will point out once again that we all benefit from the cheap labor illegal immigrants provide in the form of lower costs for goods and services. Plus, the Mexican food has, at least in upstate New York, improved a great deal over the past few years.

[jenbobblehead]

If those programs weren't there, then they wouldn't be flowing in by the thousands and we wouldnt have to worry about them being a risk. I'm sorry that they were born in Mexico and into poverty.. I really am... But we can't let our country suffer for other peoples problems... It's just setting a bad precedent for our country as a whole. We can't have a "free for all" attitude, because too many people will take advantage of us for it.

free, and kind of shitty healthcare is not the reason why people come to the US.

[Good Old Neon]

I often wonder how many

[John Smith]

I often wonder how many

[ikol]

With SS and Medicare taxes, you're throwing away 15% of your income every year, so I could see how it's hard to turn down the money when the cash flow is reversed.

[John Smith]

With SS and Medicare taxes, you're throwing away 15% of your income every year, so I could see how it's hard to turn down the money when the cash flow is reversed.

 

The figure is actually 15.3% and you are absolutely not putting out 15% of your own money, you are 100% off from what you actually pay out. You pay out 7.65%. Of that 6.2% is SS and 1.45 is medicare. The other half of the 15% figure you toss out there is paid by the employer as their match. Thhat is not your money. Stop taking what you do not earn yourself. It is against your principles. Ditto for unemployment insurance since it is paid 100% by the employers.

[IRememberDBoon]

With SS and Medicare taxes, you're throwing away 15% of your income every year, so I could see how it's hard to turn down the money when the cash flow is reversed.

 

 

if by "throwing away" you mean making sure old ladies can eat then yeah.