Party @ the Moontower Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 She also said "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that." -- Sarah Palin June 8, 2008. I don't care your view on the issues, a statement like that, if actually meant, is batshit crazy. Of course if only said to get the support of batshit crazies, then it is foxtail sly. Again, God has no place in politics! The batshit crazies need to knock this shit off or they will fuck this country up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 there are batshit crazies on both sides is my point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sly like a Foxwell Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Again, God has no place in politics! The batshit crazies need to knock this shit off or they will fuck this country up.you say that like it hasn;t already happened Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 there are batshit crazies on both sides is my point. And they equally balance each other. Each side is equally crazy, equally dishonest, equally dangerous. It is impossible for one side to ever be more right than the other, or for one side to become more corrupt or dishonest than the other. Both sides are always, always have been, and always will be, exactly as credible as the other. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 no side is 'right' inasmuch as there is no such thing as a universal truth or morality. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 So both sides policy positions are always equally likely to be successful? And perhaps there's no such thing as "universal truth" but is there such a thing as a flat out lie? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 And they equally balance each other. Each side is equally crazy, equally dishonest, equally dangerous. It is impossible for one side to ever be more right than the other, or for one side to become more corrupt or dishonest than the other. Both sides are always, always have been, and always will be, exactly as credible as the other.I don't entirely buy the fung shui approach to politics. There's not a harmony to the dangerous, nor to the dishonesty. There's a lot of crap bandied about from innocent people with biases and dishonest people whose plans prey on the biases of the innocent. That's not an overall dismissal, just an example. That said, I think a political party, through the decisions it makes, the leaders and organizers, make decisions on their approach to honesty, integrity, etch. when they mold and shape the message. That said, I think you can look at the examples of the past eight years, certainly the neo-con approach of Karl Rove, and say that the party's national stature and approach to "facts," "issues," and the opposition and say they've profited and advanced their status in Washington and the world through a plan of lies, misinformation and distortion of situations to fuel their agenda. And that approach has nothing to do with the issues themselves of conservatives, or the Christian faction, or pro-lifers or whatever. The argument that Rove, Bush and Cheney's approach is O.K. because they won because they're better liars than the Democrats, IMHO, is a sad argument. I think democrats get up in arms because, at the end of the day, that is the final argument that a conservative will throw at the issue -- not whether what they've done is right or wrong, but they were merely good enough at it to win. 9/11 an inside job? What do you believe or don't believe? Bob(2) I put it to you, and anyone else, that Rove and Co. and their political agenda, their approach opens up such scrutiny and teeth gnashing. There's been enough dirty dealings to drop the bar for belief that they could do worse. That rings as a rationalization, but I'm trying to speak to why people gnash their teeth over Palin. It's not that they don't have cause, they just feel vulnerable to being deceived again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 there are batshit crazies on both sides is my point. I say noting that there are crazy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Define successful. Every choice either side makes hurts some and helps others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 you say that like it hasn;t already happened No I didn't. It needs to stop. I don't see anyone in this election using God to get elected except for McCain and Palin. Obama has never done this period. Nor has he used his race, his kids, or a list of lies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Again, God has no place in politics! The batshit crazies need to knock this shit off or they will fuck this country up.It may be another 100 years before we get to politics without religion in this country. It may never happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sly like a Foxwell Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 No I didn't. It needs to stop. I don't see anyone in this election using God to get elected except for McCain and Palin. Obama has never done this period. Nor has he used his race, his kids, or a list of lies. i was refering to the current administration, actually. but i am really glad that God has that oil pipeline in his thoughts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 It may be another 100 years before we get to politics without religion in this country. It may never happen. Well voting people like Palin and McCain will certainly keep us from moving forward. It's one of the main reasons Bush sits in office right now. i was refering to the current administration, actually. but i am really glad that God has that oil pipeline in his thoughts. God just told me to stop talking bad about Palin. He told me to go take my kid to the park..so I'm out! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 It may be another 100 years before we get to politics without religion in this country. It may never happen.The more divisive politics becomes, the greater impact it will have, unfortunately. And anyone who says Obama has not relied on religion in advancing his political career doesn't know much about the man or his history -- particularly in Chicago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 The more divisive politics becomes, the greater impact it will have, unfortunately. And anyone who says Obama has not relied on religion in advancing his political career doesn't know much about the man or his history -- particularly in Chicago. I have not seen him using God or religious BS like abortion issues to pretty up his election talks. Are you saying he does, and if so please provide links to his words. What do you think about Palin and McCain?Not using God? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I have not seen him using God or religious BS like abortion issues to pretty up his election talks. Are you saying he does, and if so please provide links to his words. What do you think about Palin and McCain?Not using God?In his community organizing, he used pastors and churches in order to build his cause. It's well documented. His connection to Rev. Wright as as much visibility -- that was the church where Chicago's black up-and-comers went. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 i was refering to the current administration, actually. but i am really glad that God has that oil pipeline in his thoughts.Please! It was a gas line. God has absolutely zero interest in oil pipelines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 In his community organizing, he used pastors and churches in order to build his cause. It's well documented. His connection to Rev. Wright as as much visibility -- that was the church where Chicago's black up-and-comers went.That's what it said on CNN. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 That's what it said on CNN.I had read it in the Chicago Tribune a while back, but I saw it on CNN too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 It occurs to me that maybe when we stop arguing about religion/abortion/teen pregnancy/old men lusting for shapely vp noninees/the wisdom of flying on an airplane after your water has broken, instead of defining the work and responsibility of running this fucking country...THEN MAYBE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND NEWS MEDIA WILL STOP SHOOTING US UP WITH DOPE. Bloody hell this is embarrassing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 It occurs to me that maybe when we stop arguing about religion/abortion/teen pregnancy/old men lusting for shapely vp noninees/the wisdom of flying on an airplane after your water has broken, instead of defining the work and responsibility of running this fucking country...THEN MAYBE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND NEWS MEDIA WILL STOP SHOOTING US UP WITH DOPE. Bloody hell this is embarrassing. werd! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 In his community organizing, he used pastors and churches in order to build his cause. It's well documented. His connection to Rev. Wright as as much visibility -- that was the church where Chicago's black up-and-comers went. When he was 23? Are you seriiously trying to put down his good work when he was 23 before law school? Rev. Wright is not Obama, and is not in this campaign at all. In fact, Obama seperated himself from such things. Show me how he has used God in this election. Prove to me Palin and McCain are not doing it right now. You can't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 It occurs to me that maybe when we stop arguing about religion/abortion/teen pregnancy/old men lusting for shapely vp noninees/the wisdom of flying on an airplane after your water has broken, instead of defining the work and responsibility of running this fucking country...THEN MAYBE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND NEWS MEDIA WILL STOP SHOOTING US UP WITH DOPE. Bloody hell this is embarrassing. Pffft. All this talk is making me think that maybe Obama is a Muslim. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 When he was 23? Are you seriiously trying to put down his good work when he was 23 before law school? Rev. Wright is not Obama, and is not in this campaign at all. In fact, Obama seperated himself from such things. Show me how he has used God in this election. Prove to me Palin and McCain are not doing it right now. You can't.I'm not trying to put him down. I just see you arguing blindly and throwing a lot of stuff out there -- a lot of biased stuff -- without listening to anyone. You would approve of McCain and Palin using god if they did it 20 years ago but not now? When is it O.K. and when isn't it? And are you the soul arbiter of that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 It occurs to me that maybe when we stop arguing about religion/abortion/teen pregnancy/old men lusting for shapely vp noninees/the wisdom of flying on an airplane after your water has broken, instead of defining the work and responsibility of running this fucking country...THEN MAYBE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND NEWS MEDIA WILL STOP SHOOTING US UP WITH DOPE. Bloody hell this is embarrassing.This is exactly why I discuss it! Because the issues are being ignored while McCain and Palin are running on God and abortion. Besides, this is an election thread. Debating and sharing info is different than arguing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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