Central Scrutinizer Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Pffft. All this talk is making me think that maybe Obama is a Muslim.Allah be praised! This is exactly why I discuss it! Because the issues are being ignored while McCain and Palin are running on God and abortion. Besides, this is an election thread. Debating and sharing info is different than arguing.Shouting fire in a crowded movie house is free speech, but it's not exactly a noble action. Sharing requires listening as well as talking. Not just listening but receiving the information. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elixir Sue Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 In his community organizing, he used pastors and churches in order to build his cause. It's well documented. His connection to Rev. Wright as as much visibility -- that was the church where Chicago's black up-and-comers went.While it's true that a lot of his community work relied on the involvement of churches, you're kinda painting it in an inaccurate light. When Obama arrived in Chicago to start his job, that was just the way it worked; churches provided the means through which people could band together and get things done. It's not as if Obama swept in and decided that he must get the church involved. Here's a passage from Dreams From My Father, a quote which Obama attributes to the man who hired him as a community organizer...he explains to Obama how they operated: Most of our work is with churches. If poor and working-class people want to build real power, they have to have some sort of institutional base. With the unions in the shape they're in, the churches are the only game in town. That's where the people are, and that's where the values are, even if they've been buried under a lot of bullshit. Churches won't work with you, though, just out of the goodness of their hearts. They'll talk a good game - a sermon on Sunday, maybe, or a special offering for the homeless. But if push comes to shove, they won't really move unless you can show them how it'll help them pay their heating bill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I'm not trying to put him down. I just see you arguing blindly and throwing a lot of stuff out there -- a lot of biased stuff -- without listening to anyone. You would approve of McCain and Palin using god if they did it 20 years ago but not now? When is it O.K. and when isn't it? And are you the soul arbiter of that? What? Obama was not running for president when he was a community organizer at the age of 23. If you believe Obama is doing this, prove it. If you believe Palin and McCain are not doing this, wake up. If you don't believe in separation of church in state than I feel sorry for you. As far as me not listening to people, I do. In fact, I have said good post to you about 10 times in the election threads. I post links and facts when I speak, not throwing shit from my ass as you say. Go back and read my posts and show me where I'm an ass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Go back and read my posts and show me where I'm an ass.In this thread, I think we're on page 13. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Sharing requires listening as well as talking. Not just listening but receiving the information. Something you should think about One Wing. You ignore every one of my posts until you find one line you don't like, then call me out. I post plenty of links to my facts, respond to as many posts as possible with respect, including those I disagree with (bobbob and kwall come to mind), and spend a great deal of time listening and debating. I do not, pick fights for the hell of fighting in the election threads. I aslo keep a sense of humor here, unlike some people. Who made you the Party @ The Moontower post guard?Don't like me then ignore me.Simple as that. And, perhaps you should cruise thru the election threads and see how many times I have kindly responded to your posts and said good post. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sly like a Foxwell Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Please! It was a gas line. God has absolutely zero interest in oil pipelines. good to see you areound here Dcarter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 It occurs to me that maybe when we stop arguing about religion/abortion/teen pregnancy/old men lusting for shapely vp noninees/the wisdom of flying on an airplane after your water has broken, instead of defining the work and responsibility of running this fucking country...THEN MAYBE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND NEWS MEDIA WILL STOP SHOOTING US UP WITH DOPE. Bloody hell this is embarrassing.calm down Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Falsely Shouting fire in a crowded movie house is not protected free speech. Fixed it for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the carlos Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 calm downwe need more fire. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
M. (hristine Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 we need more fire.And ideas. Brilliant ideas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 FIRE IT UP! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 we need more fire. We need more boobs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the carlos Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 We need more boobs"duh" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viatroy Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 calm down I'm wondering why Palin isn't answerable to the press except in controlled circumstances. Is she an Evelyn Wood speed reader and as soon as she's learned something about foreign policy they'll let her loose? Her religion is out of bounds but Obama's isn't. Why aren't we seeing more of Obama and Biden stumping, and the Lizards of Satan twins, for that matter? Or hearing speeches from anyone and everyone stumping on the trail? And the media continues to ignore the very real issues of voter suppression and vote theft? This isn't a campaign of issues but of personality? McCain is getting away with that? The media is absolutely fucked, or bought off. Very very fishy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the carlos Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I'm wondering why Palin isn't answerable to the press except in controlled circumstances. Is she an Evelyn Wood speed reader and as soon as she's learned something about foreign policy they'll let her loose? Her religion is out of bounds but Obama's isn't. Why aren't we seeing more of Obama and Biden stumping, and the Lizards of Satan twins, for that matter? Or hearing speeches from anyone and everyone stumping on the trail? And the media continues to ignore the very real issues of voter suppression and vote theft? This isn't a campaign of issues but of personality? McCain is getting away with that? The media is absolutely fucked, or bought off. Very very fishy.you and your thoughts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viatroy Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 you and YOUR thoughts! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the carlos Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I know! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Shouting movie in a crowded fire house is free speech.Fixed it for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viatroy Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 dig it. Obama Blasts Bush-McCain Foreign Policy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mfwahl Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Sarah Palin admits son is Islamic terrorist Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I'm wondering why Palin isn't answerable to the press except in controlled circumstances. Is she an Evelyn Wood speed reader and as soon as she's learned something about foreign policy they'll let her loose? Her religion is out of bounds but Obama's isn't. Why aren't we seeing more of Obama and Biden stumping, and the Lizards of Satan twins, for that matter? Or hearing speeches from anyone and everyone stumping on the trail? And the media continues to ignore the very real issues of voter suppression and vote theft? This isn't a campaign of issues but of personality? McCain is getting away with that? The media is absolutely fucked, or bought off. Very very fishy.Is Oprah part of the conspiracy? Serious - the GOP would be crazy to let the press at her uncontrolled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Sarah Palin admits son is Islamic terroristAt least they didn't discover he's ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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kwall Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Pffft. All this talk is making me think that maybe Obama is a Muslim. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
viatroy Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Is Oprah part of the conspiracy? Serious - the GOP would be crazy to let the press at her uncontrolled. Oprah probably just can't stomach the idea of spending an hour with her. And, so what? Aren't we entitled to know what she thinks? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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