sureshot Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 i've got a lot of the stuff he's been involved with...White Heaven, Stars, Onna, and Ghost. even the stuff w/ damon and naomi. kurihara = Cool beans. I just saw Ghost a couple weeks ago and they completely blew me away. It boggles my mind they've been around since '84... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Actually radio used to be surprisingly democratic (in maybe a narrow band, which I know is a contratiction...). Growing up I heard all sorts of stuff particuarly after FM came in (yup I am that old....), but none the less AM covered a fairly wide range of types of music and rock stations played all kinds of stuff including soul, rock, folk, and country. Sure "the man" was in control, but many artists ultimately did get played (and over played). Those tunes are now called oldies and classic rock, but at least we all knew the songs. Now you can turn on a radio and hear some really homogenized crap that no one wants to listen to. So Little Steven has a point of sorts (he isn't a complete asshole), all kinds of fun type music got played on the radio by hook or by crook (or by payola) and much of it is remembered today. In fact many of the artists that people use as role models did get played on the radio; most in fact (Beach Boys, Kinks, Creedance, Beatles, Badfinger, Thin Lizzy, T. Rex, etc. etc. etc.) had hit records and got significant exposure on radio. None were cult artists. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vacant Horizon Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 And, based on the rarity of talent, there's more noise without a greatly proportional increase in quality noise. that's what i was trying to say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 And, based on the rarity of talent, there's more noise without a greatly proportional increase in quality noise. that's what i was trying to say. you've got it all wrong. there is more talent out there than ever before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 One other false point Steven makes has to do with home recording. The way he speaks, you'd think everyone is recording their album in their bedroom or garage. But the reality is that, with the exception of local hobbyist bands and the extreme fringe artists, virtually all of the albums on the market today were recorded in studios, or in well equipped band owned facilities (like the Wilco loft) by people who have enough skills to create good sounding albums. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 you've got it all wrong. there is more talent out there than ever before. I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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borracho Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 The only band worthy of having a full sized gong on stage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeSwal4jqyk It also goes without saying that Michio Kurihara is a living legend. I love the E-bow.....its unreal the way he can make a guitar sing.i think my ears are still ringing from where i was standing when i saw them last year in Denton, TX... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Yeah, I guess McCartney didn’t get the postcard, the one that clearly states music will not and cannot change the world, that war will always exist and freedoms will always be curtailed and no amount of hand clapping and/or tambourine tapping will ever put a serious dent in that reality – and that this is doubly so insofar as extremely comfortable musicians recording from the safe confines of a multi-million dollar studio is concerned. Regardless of McCartney's intentions, he still probably crafts one mean pop song, like, every day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Cool beans. I just saw Ghost a couple weeks ago and they completely blew me away. It boggles my mind they've been around since '84... where did they play? i've only seen Ghost once (Terrastock V) and they were great. i did see Batoh w/ Helena from Espers last year, and that was really fun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Actually if there are more people there is bound to be more talent. But it is not simply the issue of talent it is also the issue of young people being able to access better equipment, learn how to play, sing, read music, listen to a wider range of music, etc. There is no doubt that people now have many more recources at their commands, including the ability to record themselves successfully and mix and reproduce that music with little interference. I have said this repeated here over the years, your average musician is far better now than in the past. Simply having electronic tuners which can help anyone play in tune, is a big advantage over musicians in the past (not to mention far better equipment...) LouieB True, based on raw numbers, a higher population would result in a greater number of musically talented folks, but then the inverse is true as well Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 where did they play? i've only seen Ghost once (Terrastock V) and they were great. i did see Batoh w/ Helena from Espers last year, and that was really fun. I know Ghost played in Athens, GA last Wednesday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 I for one am very happy that people with no technical or music writing skills have access to the tools to make music anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NightOfJoy Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Song writing and technical skill do not necessarily go hand in hand, you can have one, but not the other Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mfwahl Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 I for one am very happy that people with no technical or music writing skills have access to the tools to make music anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Another example is Joe Satriani. obviously Coldplay likes his songwriting talent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 I know Ghost played in Athens, GA last Wednesday. i just found some tourdates on brooklynvegan and they played NYC two weeks ago, but didn't make it up to boston. shakes fist angrily. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sureshot Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 i just found some tourdates on brooklynvegan and they played NYC two weeks ago, but didn't make it up to boston. shakes fist angrily. i actually saw them in Chicago. good stuffhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G98y33oBr70 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 True, based on raw numbers, a higher population would result in a greater number of musically talented folks, but then the inverse is true as well Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 And what the hell is that "auto tone" shit kids use today to make their voices sound like robots? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 And what the hell is that "auto tone" shit kids use today to make their voices sound like robots? Don't blame the kids. Cher was one of the first to bring that into the mainstream. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sureshot Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 eh, vocoders and autotone can be interesting when done right. Black Moth Super Rainbow is an example. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 Vodcoders I have no problem with - I was an impressionable little kid when "Frampton Comes Alive" came out. But using technology because you can't sing well enough to sing in key FOR AT LEAST ONE FUCKING TAKE IN A RECORDING STUDIO? Oy. Go work at the mall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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