Synthesizer Patel Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I was commenting on JASB's (now clarified) statement that lyrics were the most important thing to Dylan. You jumped into the middle of that, and so I misunderstood. Sorry. the way you keep saying that, it makes it seem like i said what you think i said, rather than what i actually said. even i am starting to doubt myself. anyway, as for reading about dylan - Chronicles (as Shakespeare said) is a brilliant book to read, forget about if you want to know anything about dylan or not. also, i really love Invisible Republic - i think you could read either of those books and enjoy them, and still come away knowing nothing concrete about dylan - which is a good thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I was wondering when the hell you were getting here. Jeezus. Sorry I was busy writing fanmail to Fiona. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share Posted August 19, 2010 Oh, don't get me wrong, I think he's absolutely fascinating too! And I think it's even more fascinating that he's still such a topic of contention. I sometimes wonder if my disinterest in reading about him implies that he's one of the few artists I like whom I don't want to know everything about because some myth of mine might be shattered or altered? Usually I want to know absolutely everything about musicians I like, but with him I still like a little mystery.I can see this. But the funny thing is, Dylan's story is so shrouded in mystery that you can read several accounts, and each one will tell a different story. And none will seem any more real than the others. It's astounding, really. He's simultaneously more and less interesting than he seems at first. And that just makes me want to read more. It's a bit of an endless cycle. And considering Dylan's autobiography (so far) was as idiosyncratic and non-revealing as his interviews, there's no reason to think this will ever change. Dylan's been playing the smartest marketing game in the music world for 40+ years now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I can see this. But the funny thing is, Dylan's story is so shrouded in mystery that you can read several accounts, and each one will tell a different story. It's astounding, really. He's simultaneously more and less interesting than he seems at first. And that just makes me want to read more. It's a bit of an endless cycle. I think that's exactly what keeps me from wanting to read about him. My version of "keeping the mystery" saves me a lot more hours than yours. Of course, I followed Jandek pretty fanatically pre-live show, and that never got old for me. I'm as picky about my bios and auto-bios as I am about my covers, I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Synthesizer Patel Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 just to change things up a bit. i was re-reading Huckleberry Finn the other week and i found the line "the wind was trying to whisper something to me and I couldn't make out what it was". wouldn't it be good if "love and theft" turned out to be completely made up of stolen lines from books? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 He may have been joking, but he was certainly more of a song and dance man than he was the voice of a generation. The room explodes with laughter when he says it, but he doesn't. I've often thought he was a bit pissed off with how much people in the room laughed at the joke. ETA: you know, it was meant to be funny, but not THAT funny. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 wouldn't it be good if "love and theft" turned out to be completely made up of stolen lines from books? it sure would. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share Posted August 19, 2010 wouldn't it be good if "love and theft" turned out to be completely made up of stolen lines from books?Aren't there many articles out there that say that it pretty much is? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 just to change things up a bit. i was re-reading Huckleberry Finn the other week and i found the line "the wind was trying to whisper something to me and I couldn't make out what it was". wouldn't it be good if "love and theft" turned out to be completely made up of stolen lines from books? Check out 4:35 of that video I posted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moss Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 ETA: you know, it was meant to be funny, but not THAT funny. That's an interesting take on it, never thought of it that way. I can't watch the video from work but I remember seeing it before and I picture Dylan doing his best to not crack a complete smile, I always thought he was being completely tongue in cheek but maybe there was a little element of truth in there for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 also, isn't that the press conference where he says he'd become a pitchman for ladies lingerie? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW4QpZV9O5Q Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share Posted August 19, 2010 How great is the Dylan legend that here we are, 45 years later, debating the meaning behind a tongue in cheek (or not tongue in cheek?) response to a simple question? I personally just thought it was a response to how dumb the "voice of a generation" claims were. He was just singing songs, not speaking for men the world over. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I agree with the literary greatness that is Chronicles. Bob Dylan is a great writer, and not just of songs. My "research" of Dylan comprises of Chronicles, Don't Look Back, and No Direction Home, and even I know about the "song and dance man" comment. I am glad, however, it's far more song than dance. Interesting conflict of opinions about song covers by Dylan, though. In No Direction Home, Dylan criticizes artists like the Byrds for covering his songs, but yet on his Theme Time Radio Hour show, he said song covering is becoming a lost great art form. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jerrygarciaparra Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 "Emotionally Yours" by the O'Jays, especially the one they do at the "Bob Fest" is one of my favorites Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I didn't figure anyone would get that, unless they were a Dylan freak of some sort. How about Bruce Springsteen's version of Chimes Of Freedom? It's never been officially released, but in the 1974 shows he did before he started recording Born to Run in earnest, Bruce did a lovely cover of I Want You. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 That's true. I forgot about that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 It's All Over Now, Baby Blue, by Them is my favorite Bob Dylan cover. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 It's never been officially released, but in the 1974 shows he did before he started recording Born to Run in earnest, Bruce did a lovely cover of I Want You. I don't care for Bruce too much, and I also don't care for "I Want You" too much, but I hear you say this and I think I would love it. I like Sheryl Crow's take on Mississippi. There! I said it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Synthesizer Patel Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 anyone else seen this? bob dylan mono box set everything up to and including john wesley harding in mono. sounds pretty cool, but seeing as how i've only just finished upgrading my old cds to the stereo remasters, i doubt i can be bothered with this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
howdjadoo Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 I like Dixie Chicks's take on Mississippi. There! I said it. Robyn Hitchcock - Robyn sings Disc: 1 1. Visions Of Johanna Listen 2. Tangled Up In Blue Listen 3. Not Dark Yet Listen 4. 4th Time Around Listen 5. Desolation Row Listen 6. It's All Over Now, Baby Blue Listen 7. Dignity Listen 8. Visions Of Johanna Listen Disc: 2 1. Tell Me Mama Listen 2. I Don't Believe You Listen 3. Baby Let Me Follow You Down Listen 4. Leopard-Skin Pillbox Hat Listen 5. One Too Many Mornings Listen 6. Ballad Of A Thin Man Listen 7. Like A Rolling Stone Listen http://www.amazon.com/Robyn-Sings-Hitchcock/dp/B00006RYCB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 The Robyn Hitchcock album is pretty cool. Glad it is still in print, if it is. It used to only available through his website. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjpuczko Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 I like Dixie Chicks's take on Mississippi. There! I said it. that one's way better than sheryl crow's version. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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