Sir Stewart Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 PSU president reportedly about to be gone: http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_president_graham_sp.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 What a way for JoePa to end his storied career. PSU trustees fire Paterno, Spanier By GENARO C. ARMAS, Associated Press 4 minutes ago STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP)—Penn State trustees fired football coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier amid the growing furor over how the school handled sex abuse allegations against an assistant coach.The massive shakeup Wednesday night came hours after Paterno announced that he planned to retire at the end of his 46th season. But the outcry following the arrest of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky on molestation charges proved too much for the board to ignore.One key question has been why Paterno and other top school officials didn’t go to police in 2002 after being told a graduate assistant saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a school shower.Paterno says he should have done more. Spanier has said he was not told the details of the attack.Sandusky has denied the charges Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 There will never fully be justice for the victims and their families no amount of punishment can ever really heal wounds like that. But the hell on earth all involved, those who covered it up, those who could have stopped it, and Sandusky, will now live with for the rest of their lives is at least a start in the right direction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Take a sad song, and make it worse. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 With the news coming out in Syracuse and several additional stories coming to light from across the country has put the question we really don't want to ask on the table: Is coaching youth sports a haven for pedophiles like the Catholic priesthood has been/was? It's very disturbing reading these stories of men entrusted with the well being of young people instead becoming sexual predators. It is unfathomable, yet it happens on a seemingly daily basis all across the country. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Jerry Sandusky found guilty on 45 of the 48 charges. He is going to go to prison for a long time. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--jerry-sandusky-guilty-child-sex-abuse-jury-judge-cleland.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 He'll just have to do as many as the 442 years as he can. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kidsmoke Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I wish him a long, long life. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 He'll just have to do as many as the 442 years as he can. I bet he doesn't make 15 of those. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I was really fearful that he would get off. Hell, a prosecutor 'disappeared' several years after charges were bandied about. Penn State is a really powerful institution. It was tried in the area.All those factors really had me worried.I just wonder how many other kids haven't come forward yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I just wonder how many other kids haven't come forward yet. ..and how many predators he created. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dagwave Posted June 23, 2012 Author Share Posted June 23, 2012 cdm- amen, brother. i heard 9 of the jurors were psu alumni (wtf..)- iwas worried about a mistrial, tampering, some kind of tecnical gltch............... general question: once found gulity, regardless of timeline for pre-sentencing report, appeal (double blech), that f#@!** has to stay in the pokey, correct? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Inside of Outside Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 He has to stay in the pokey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-crime-sanduskybre86b05d-20120711,0,5217577.story Louis Freeh's report on his investigation of Penn State is in and it doesn't look good for the school, Joe Paterno, or anyone else involved. Unfortunately I'm not surprised by what they discovered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Some have suggested that Penn State get the "death penalty" meaning they lose their football program indefinitely. I am not sure that's appropriate since all the offending officials (Paterno, Sandusky, AD, president) are gone. I could easily be convinced I am wrong. Did current boosters know? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I think the football team needs to take a big hit - it sucks for the current students/players - but such is life. The school/program needs to be severely punished.Football should go away for at least a couple of years and the university should still pay for the scholarships to the football players that choose to stay. http://www.suntimes.com/13733985-761/penn-state-deserves-death-penalty-for-football-prison-for-officials.html“In order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity, the most powerful leaders at the university — Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley — repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky’s child abuse,’’ according to the report. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I've pretty much answered my own question here. I suppose people on the board of governors didn't provide proper oversight, or helped create the environment that allowed this to happen. Throw the book at the school. Five years, ten years, forever. Allow scholarship athletes to keep their scholarships or transfer and play w/o penalty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dagwave Posted July 13, 2012 Author Share Posted July 13, 2012 calvino/ uncool: hells yeah and hell yes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Would it be more appropriate for the NCAA to just put Penn State's football program on a long-term period of getting no rewards, but allow them to still play; and, furthermore, to declare all wins and titles since 1998 to be forfeited, thereby punishing the actual guilty parties involved at Penn State rather than just the present and future students and players? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Would it be more appropriate for the NCAA to just put Penn State's football program on a long-term period of getting no rewards, but allow them to still play; and, furthermore, to declare all wins and titles since 1998 to be forfeited, thereby punishing the actual guilty parties involved at Penn State rather than just the present and future students and players? That's what they do if a team is caught cheating, paying players, etc.... This goes way beyond that and the penalty should reflect that. Again, it isn't necessarily fair to the current players/students, I realize that, that's why the players scholarships should stay in place. It would suck that no football will be played there on Saturdays, but I think it would suck even more if the school can make even more money, through tickets, concessions, etc... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 If there's nothing to play for and the quality of play and players is greatly diminished, there won't be as much money coming in. The prestige will be gone, if it isn't already, of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 What happened at PSU was horrible, but I don't see how killing the program is going to make anything better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 How is this even an NCAA issue? It's heinous. It's horrible. It's completely outside the jurisdiction of the NCAA. Any punishment should be solely directed at the parties involved. And the prestige of the program is already tarnished. Punishing the current football program only punishes innocents. What would that accomplish? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Again it isn't fair and suspending the program won't make things "better" for the victims, but perhaps a stiff penalty will make other institutions, who makes millions of dollars off their programs, think twice before covering stuff up. Am I am saying that they should be set up as an example - yes. I am not sure how it can't be a NCAA issue - Penn State is a part of the NCAA and the NCAA is the governing body of overall football league.They make the rules and enforce them. Of course it's a criminal and civil issue, but one of the NCAA most prestigious football programs was involved in a child abuse cover up and they should just stay out it? But if someone buys a steak for a kid, then the NCAA can suspend the program - but when it comes to a child abuse cover up - "just let others deal with - it's a criminal issue." That sounds absurd. To be involved in the below cover up - I think a two year full complete suspension is getting off easy. http://chicago.cbslo...tims-are-there/ We know that he was found guilty of sexually abusing and raping 10 boys. First some general statistics. Latest national data on sexual abuse of children shows that 1-in-4 girls and 1-in-10 boys report abuse. Approximately 1-in-6 boys are actually abused. We also know that in general serial sexual abusers abuse an average of 117 children. Those are scary numbers. Later in life, Sandusky used the Second Mile charity and his status at Penn State to cultivate his prey and keep them silent after he brutalized them. Judging again by the trial records, he abused two boys a year. Simple math shows that his total in fifty years would be a hundred boys. However when you factor in the under reporting of male victims, those two boys per year may have been as many as four or five. Making the total as high as 200-250. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 How is this even an NCAA issue? It's heinous. It's horrible. It's completely outside the jurisdiction of the NCAA. Any punishment should be solely directed at the parties involved. And the prestige of the program is already tarnished. Punishing the current football program only punishes innocents. What would that accomplish? Need to change the culture. Just removing those involved doesn't achieve this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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