Presidential Race (Respector Edition)

[Sparky speaks]

Nothing wrong with what you just stated. I am a former registered Democrat who never voted Republican in his life and always disagreed with my Republican and conservative buddies on must issues. But I started to look into many of the inconsistencies of some of my arguments as well as the merits of some of theirs plus I was always bothered by the scam both parties play on all of us around election time, of promoting the issues they feel they need to, to rally the base and then never deliver on them once they get elected. They both are big government supporters, statists, (each in their own way they believe government has all the answers),they both bog industry and business down with tons of regulations that stifle economic growth, they both promote socialist economic programs, the both support war, they both spend like it's going out of style, they turn a blind eye to growing executive power, they both profit enormously from their inside knowledge on investment matters, they have no problem voting on bills that limit our freedoms and privacy and other constitutional rights, they both have no problem taking money from Goldman Sachs and other such interests, they both throw money at issues with no evidence any of it will solve the problem and on and on and on. It's time we all recognize the con they are playing on all of us. Read Ventura's new book on the political parties for a detailed and well documented look at this issue. It is pretty informative and eye opening for those who are stuck in the left/right universe. Step outside of the box and you might realize you've been had. Are things getting better since 2008? Are you satisfied with "The Change"? Will Romney actually be any different? You've got to be dreaming. It's pretty obvious isn't it? It's never too late to look behind the curtain to see who the wizard really is.

 

Link to Ventura's book:

http://www.amazon.co...eywords=ventura

 

I'm not looking to start any arguments with folks here. Can't be bothered. Just trying to provide some differing views and perspectives. Stop watching FOX, MSNBC, CNN etc. and find out things for yourselves. Use the internet and alternative news providers while you still have the freedom to. Don't forget CIPA, CISPA and all those other "bi-partisan" bills before Congress that are trying to put an end to that privilege.

 

Leaving for vacation so I won't be able to "debate" with you again for a week. Have fun...

[IRememberDBoon]

[uncool2pillow]

Fucking idiots.

[IRememberDBoon]

[IRememberDBoon]

http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/08/05/foxs-trotta-female-journalists-envy-ann-romney/189139

[IRememberDBoon]

my last post of the day and this is what true evil is

 

http://truth-out.org/news/item/10688-private-prisons-spend-45-million-on-lobbying-rake-in-51-billion-for-immigrant-detention-alone#.UB3HQGIKYQY.reddit

[Tweedling]

Interesting to read through. Sorry if this has been posted.

http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?a=Files.Serve&File_id=b69a6ebd-7ebe-41b7-bb03-c25a5e194365

[uncool2pillow]

Also a demonstration on how little "waste" is actually part of our deficit problem. These are the worst offenders a deficit hawk like Coburn can find And it adds up to about 1/4 billion. Not even a drop in the bucket.

[Tweedling]

A lot of the things listed happen every year or at least the past 4-5 years or are planned to be spent for years to come. I'm pretty sure all put together ( not just 2011) would add up to more. Not saying this list is the cure for our obvious problem but things do add up.

I was disgusted to read about the aid we give to China! Giving money that we've borrowed....from them. :/

[IRememberDBoon]

The President presented Boehner with 3 trillion in cuts that Democrats did not want to make and all he had to do was get 1 trillion in new revenue from closing loopholes and 3 percent raise on millionares. Tea Party stopped it and now cry and cry how The President has failed to balance the budget.

Boggles the mind really how people actually buy it.

 

Oh. And he tried it 3 different times. We were willing to make the cuts to balance the budget.

[LouieB]

Sparky is half making sense this time out. The half that doesn't make sense is when he posts wacky conspiricy theories.

 

There are significant differences between Obama and Romney, but they are both running for President of USA which is pretty much a job that doesn't change that much from administration to administration. All presidents need to run the military, kowtow to the banks and Wall Street, and try and run what is a fairly arcane government system that is bigger than any one person. (Even Ron Paul and Dennis Kusinich if they could win and election would end up doing the same old BS, because thats the way it works.)

 

So okay, let's move beyond right and left and deal with "real" problems. it is deciding on what anyone considers a real problem that is the problem.

 

Just like the stuff about stupid bullshit in the federal budget, I don't disagree that some of that crap has to go, but the US Congress (like all legislative bodies) has to try and bring home programs people in their districts want. So if there is a mango grower in their districts that wants subsidies, they get money for them. Deciding what stays or goes is a complex issue that is not easy to sort out by all the special interests that exist. If you are in the military, you want military spending, if you are in education, you want education spending, if you are a corporation (corporations are people too...) you want welfare for corporations, if you are poor, you want welfare for poor people..

 

So who decides? Your local congress person does. Rarely does the President decide.

 

LouieB

[IRememberDBoon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWh-JK75VmM&feature=player_embedded

[lost highway]

The internet; a voice for the insane, the stupid, the brilliant, the decent, and the grotesque. 1st Amendment rights..... game on.

[LouieB]

Brilliant production values too. Its too difficult to sit through that entire vid, but with all the "evidence" that Barack is gay, the guy doesn't seem to know that he also smoked tobacco for a long long time (and may still do so.)

 

LouieB

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

We are at the end times when we look to the internet for political inspiration. Look to the original sources of political thought to arrive at your opinions. Plato, Voltaire, Locke, Smith, Jefferson, Marx Madison, deTocqueville, the Durants, Hegel, Chanakaya, St. Augustine, Voltaire, Bentham, Dewey, Kant, Paine...(I always had a problem with Chanakaya, but I bet Machiavelli read him extensively).

 

Man's relationship with society and the evolution and role of political association has descended to catch phrases, ad hominum attacks, fund raising and brinksmanship.

 

The internet is an unruly, enabling sandox filled with bratty kids screaming at the top of their lungs...present company included.

[sonicshoulder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWh-JK75VmM&feature=player_embedded

 

This just blew my mind. I can't believe I haven't seen it all these years. I never knew about Obama's Pakistani lover or the fact that his life reads like a classic intelligence agency disinformation operation. I think that picture of him with that "cool hat, cool cigarette...cool wedding ring" says it all. Great post. 12:43-12:51 is classic.

[lost highway]

Romney is getting more heat because Bain sold an Italian communications company while sweeping it through Luxembourg, to duck some Italian and American taxes. He made a fortune. The prime minister of Italy has called him "Persona non grata".

[LouieB]

Romney is getting more heat because Bain sold an Italian communications company while sweeping it through Luxembourg, to duck some Italian and American taxes. He made a fortune. The prime minister of Italy has called him "Persona non grata".

Can you elaborate on this or probide some links. I guess the news outlets I read (mostly the Chicago Trib) aren't covering this. No surprise. Are you sure Romney made the dough or more recently just Bain?

 

LouieB

[lost highway]

http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/Romney-Persona-Non-Grata-in-Italy-for-Bain-s-3765066.php

[KevinG]

I think the biggest problem for me with Romney (beyond his policies) is his general dishonesty. I know every politician has lied Obama included, but he just seems to blatantly brazen about it.

 

Take for example Mitt's Welfare ad, saying that Obama fundamentally changed the Welfare to Work program passed by Bill Clinton. Simply false. Obama did remove the work requirement for states only if their programs would help people go from Welfare better then the national plan. In fact Mitt Romney as governor of Mass, requested such an exemption. http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/mitt-romneys-new-ad-breathtakingly-dishones

 

Also on the issue of his tax returns. Now, does it really matter what Mitt paid in taxes for the last 10 years, not really. But the fact that he is so adamantly refusing to do so, should raise questions. I also think what Harry Reid did was a cheap shot and he should say who told him about Mitt's non payment of taxes for 10 years, but MItt should release them. The longer he doesn't the worse he looks.

 

I also think it is interesting about MItt is that he really doesn't talk about his record as governor of Mass?

 

To me Romney will just about do and say anything to become president.

[IRememberDBoon]

I cant wait for the debates. Romney is playing the GW II game right now and not doing interviews etc so he can try and hide and run out the clock.

 

Thing is that once the debates get going he wont be able to keep all of his much mouth BS straight. Hes gonna foul up somehow. He has contradicted himself 20 times easily. In public.

[ih8music]

Also on the issue of his tax returns. Now, does it really matter what Mitt paid in taxes for the last 10 years, not really. But the fact that he is so adamantly refusing to do so, should raise questions. I also think what Harry Reid did was a cheap shot and he should say who told him about Mitt's non payment of taxes for 10 years, but MItt should release them. The longer he doesn't the worse he looks.

 

It wasn't just a cheap shot, it was mind-numbingly stupid. Harry Reid sticking his nose into the controversy was the biggest gift anyone could have given to Romney. Now it's all about Reid naming his "source" and releasing his own returns. People will get tired of hearing about it, especially now that it's a squabble between the Romney campaign and Reid's office, and soon this will all go away.

 

But yeah, I agree that the longer they hold out the more it's looking like there's something there that the Romney campaign is afraid of getting out.

[KevinG]

It wasn't just a cheap shot, it was mind-numbingly stupid. Harry Reid sticking his nose into the controversy was the biggest gift anyone could have given to Romney. Now it's all about Reid naming his "source" and releasing his own returns. People will get tired of hearing about it, especially now that it's a squabble between the Romney campaign and Reid's office, and soon this will all go away.

 

But yeah, I agree that the longer they hold out the more it's looking like there's something there that the Romney campaign is afraid of getting out.

 

I actually take the opposite view. I think it was brilliant (politically) to do so. Yes it puts some pressure on Reid and makes him look like a dick (no real change there). But it keeps the tax return thing in the news. This makes Romney have to continually talk about his tax return and answer questions about it. Romney is out on the campaign trail, whereas Reid is on recess. It was a bold move that is paying off more for the Dems than the GOP. Yes people will get tired of it, and it will eventually go away (I bet about the time the Timmy P is chosen as VP).

 

Another thing in 2008 John McCain vetted Romney pretty heavily as his VP candidate and he choose Sarah Palin. If that doesn't speak volumes about Mitt Romney I don't know what does.

[uncool2pillow]

Kinda breaks up that idea of Mormons as some sort of monolithic secret society...

[gogo]

Another thing in 2008 John McCain vetted Romney pretty heavily as his VP candidate and he choose Sarah Palin. If that doesn't speak volumes about Mitt Romney I don't know what does.

 

I don't know that I agree with this. I think McCain thought he had to go with a game-changer (I know, i didn't exactly coin that term!), and a woman seemed like the most obvious choice. It's likely that Palin just wasn't vetted enough. Kind of odd to imagine, if Romney had been McCain's VP candidate, how might the campaign have gone differently? It would have been a lot more boring, probably, and it's entirely possible that the outcome would have been different.