KevinG Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 The American people have spoken out against such measures. Other than bans/confiscations, we already have some rather robust controls in place. Wrong, a small vocal, powerful minority of Americans have spoken out against bans. Whereas in fact a majority of Americans support assault weapons bans. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/january_2014/59_favor_assault_weapons_ban_18_want_handgun_ban_too http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm You can come out and say the American people have spoken out against this measure. The American people have spoken for such measures. The political process has spoken and thwarted efforts. Not the will of the American people. And yes I fully understand that we live in a Republic and that is they way it is suppose to work, but please do not make it sound like Americans not want a ban on assault weapons because it is false and very false indeed. I don't recall any pissing or screaming matches. I remember it differently, but of course you are never wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Anyone paying attention to what Putin is saying lately? More and more I'm coming to the conclusion that he is one hell of an evil person.He seems intent on bringing the world back to the Soviet era and the Cold War. People under 30 don't remember what it was like, but their children might be learning to duck and cover in the next few years. Link to post Share on other sites
NoJ Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Oh man, I don't want to go back to those days. The fear of nuclear annihilation put the whammy on me real good when I was a kid. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Anyone paying attention to what Putin is saying lately? More and more I'm coming to the conclusion that he is one hell of an evil person. Are we still talking about this guy? I thought it was all Ebola all the time. I am starting to lose track on what is going to kill us next. Is it mass shootings? Is it voter fraud? Is it immigrants? Is it IS? Maybe it is IS coming to our country illegally with Ebola and trying to kill us all. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Are we still talking about this guy? I thought it was all Ebola all the time. I am starting to lose track on what is going to kill us next. Is it mass shootings? Is it voter fraud? Is it immigrants? Is it IS? Maybe it is IS coming to our country illegally with Ebola and trying to kill us all. It will be Ebola-infected ISIS terrorists being carried across the border on the backs of illegal aliens with calves the size of cantaloupes. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 It's in revelations people! Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 The anti-gun control crowd has effectively blocked an extremely qualified candidate for Surgeon General, because of his views on gun control. Gee it sure would have been nice to have a public health advocate to talk to the country during this Ebola "crisis." this tells you all you need to know about Republican leadership. the amount of vacancies that remain unfilled because of political grandstanding is at all-time high, and it's disgusting. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 OH LORD!! I know I didn't see tinnitus photography on the politics thread Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 i am exercising my right to democracy by participating in all accessible fora. Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 and here's the ugly story: Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Get out and vote people. Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I don't encourage people to get out and vote.If they can't find the motivation or don't care, I just don't want them participating. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I don't encourage people to get out and vote.If they can't find the motivation or don't care, I just don't want them participating. There is some truth to that. But it could be a chicken in the Egg thing. I don't vote cause I don't care. Why don't you care, cause I don't vote. I would love an engaged smart electorate, a lot of the issues we in politics are because people don't care enough to vote. 37% of eligible voters turned out in the last midterm election (2010), and only 54% turned out for a presidential election (2012). This probably mean that close to 2/3 of the population will not be represented at the polls this year. If those 2/3 got out and voted, it would send shock waves through our political system. It would show the politicians the people actually want their voice heard, they would be more responsive to the mass of voters. People need to be engaged, people need to vote. Our election system is broken, with dark money, endless ads, and media talking heads does inform voters. It just merely is an echo chamber for views already entrenched. But unfortunately we can not change that unless people vote. Yes, I hope people are informed and make smart decisions. So that is why I will remind people to vote. In all truth, I doubt anyone will come to the politics thread (or my facebook page) and listen to that awesome 'Mats song and realize, "Oh, KevinG is right, I wasn't gonna vote but now I am." But at the same democracy only works if every participates and that is important to me. So I will say it again, get informed and get out and vote. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 People need to be engaged, people need to vote. Our election system is broken, with dark money, endless ads, and media talking heads does inform voters. It just merely is an echo chamber for views already entrenched. But unfortunately we can not change that unless people vote. This seems contradictory to me. Playing a bit of the Devil's Advocate here, but I disagree that people need to be engaged. In fact, disengagement can be quite liberating. Also, if the election system is broken (per your admission), how will voting and being a part of that broken system positively affect the diseased entrenchment?You have 30 seconds to reply. Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted November 4, 2014 Author Share Posted November 4, 2014 We need Internet voting. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Whose got time for that, though? Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 We need Internet voting. We have that. Unfortunately, to date it's only been used by "which kitten is cuter" websites. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 This seems contradictory to me. Playing a bit of the Devil's Advocate here, but I disagree that people need to be engaged. In fact, disengagement can be quite liberating. Also, if the election system is broken (per your admission), how will voting and being a part of that broken system positively affect the diseased entrenchment?You have 30 seconds to reply. I may have not explained myself clearly. One of the main reason people don't vote is because they feel their vote does not matter. This is nearly 2/3 of the country. If these people voted their voice would be heard, the politicians would have to take notice. It is no longer a minority of people that politicians are beholden to, it is the country as a whole. If you go on the adage that ignorance is bliss, disengagement can be liberating, I suppose, but why would you want to go through your life like that? Millions of Americans have died for our right to vote. Millions of people all over the world wish they had the same right to vote that we do. When 2/3 of people in this country don't take the time to do so, it is shameful and disrespectful. I for one feel that is should be mandatory for every US citizen to vote. If you don't like the candidates or whatever you can choose not to select anyone on the ballot. But you have to do so. You have to walk to your library, sign the book and stick your ballot in the machine. Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekeOblgUHj4 Link to post Share on other sites
Hixter Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Millions of Americans have died for our right to vote.That figure sounds a bit high. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Millions of Americans have died for our right to vote. Millions of people all over the world wish they had the same right to vote that we do. When 2/3 of people in this country don't take the time to do so, it is shameful and disrespectful. I for one feel that is should be mandatory for every US citizen to vote. If you don't like the candidates or whatever you can choose not to select anyone on the ballot. But you have to do so. You have to walk to your library, sign the book and stick your ballot in the machine.With due respect to former and current military people, because I have a right to vote doesn't automatically equate to me being disrespectful or shameful to deceased U.S. militia if I choose not to vote. I have the right to bear arms, too, and choose not to exercise that right. Is that shameful and disrespectful? Again, Devil's Advocate here. Guess I just don't like being told what to do, and that includes voting. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 That figure sounds a bit high. 1,196,541 military deaths. Not to mention those civilians that died working for voter and racial equality in the mid 20th century. So at bit of hyperbole, but I'll still stand by it. With due respect to former and current military people, because I have a right to vote doesn't automatically equate to me being disrespectful or shameful to deceased U.S. militia if I choose not to vote. I have the right to bear arms, too, and choose not to exercise that right. Is that shameful and disrespectful? Again, Devil's Advocate here. Guess I just don't like being told what to do, and that includes voting. If you are actively part of the process and look at the candidates and decide not to vote, I don't see that as a sign of disrespect. You actively participated in the process. However if you are too busy, or you forgot, or any just can't be bothered with it, that is where I have a problem. That is a sign of disrespect. Voting is one of the most important things a citizen can and will do. We could go on and on about the second amendment, (which is not useful at this time), but the second amendment does not say every person can have a gun, it says the government shouldn't restrict the right of people to have fire arms. Also the constitution and the amendments say very little about gun rights, whereas there are several part and amendments that deal with voting and the rights of the electorate. So I don't think your analogy is an apt one. Also people will tell you what to do all day everyday. You can choose to ignore, it isn't a big deal. Link to post Share on other sites
Diddle Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Rauner! Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Good thing I had to show my driver's license at my polling place yesterday. Somehow that didn't stop the election official from telling me I was voting at the wrong location and attempting to turn me away, despite the fact that the record he had called up on his computer matched the name, but not the voter ID#, birthdate, or address on my ID, which he was holding in his fucking hand. We called the supervisor over and sorted things out. Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted November 5, 2014 Author Share Posted November 5, 2014 If my wife's divorce decree didn't require us to live within a certain distance of my step-son's school, I would be moving soon. Dear gays and women in Texas, No more civil rights for you! Link to post Share on other sites
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