Spawn's dad

Biden

If god wanted people to have medical care he'd have made doctors.... oh, wait

Ashley Todd 20, was robbed at a cash machine in Bloomfield, Pittsburgh. The attacker put a knife to her throat and stole $60. But police said he then became angry when he saw a John McCain bumper sticker on her car. He punched and kicked Miss Todd before using the knife to scratch the letter 'B' into her face. Miss Todd refused to comment, but friends told the Tribune Review newspaper she was in Pittsburgh volunteering for the McCain-Palin campaign. A police spokesman said she refused medical treatment after the assault. Public Information Officer Diane R

See?

Aren't you the one who liked that train wreck of a Lucinda Williams album?

Calm down.

They could just play his comments from the steroid hearings again and again. In fact, had the republicans done that and not run Palin they'd have won this things hands down.

I never got over him dumping on the Decemberists.

I'm hardly old.

'The Deuce'

I hear that in some states if you don't vote early they make you listen to Radiohead.

Where's the "how the hell do you vote before election day" option?

M. Chris just said "black people."

It built some kick ass parks also!

Like Jude said, when we get stuck battling for nothing but the middle ground we end up in a freeze/thaw cycle. Back and forth just a little bit. Rarely awful, but rarely great. Impossible to fix health care or social security or schools or.... You know, sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. If the economy really rock bottoms, or an ice cap disappears you'll see some real impetus for change.

I don't buy it, sorry. We're fucking the world up by such leaps and bounds that we need a far larger emergency brake than provided by a change in president. It's a good start but not nearly enough.

I don't think our present system can address the kind of social change I think necessary for the long term survival and safety of the majority of the earth's people and resources. I certainly don't think it can address political reform, as to get to that level these folks need to sell their souls (sorry Maker). So yeah, I'm of the revolution ilk. I'd get going on but I'm not prepared to get arrested until my kid is emancipated.

Yeah I don't see it. I think the country would be in equally bad shape, perhaps somewhat different but still bad, had we dealt with Gore or Bush. So now we're correcting to the liberal side of things instead of fixing the mess either of those guys got us in. A lot of this stuff is cyclical and unavoidable anyway. We have prosperity and peace and then that shifts into something else. Now hopefully we'll slide into some peace and prosperity after the economy is done tanking and we manage to withdraw from the middle east. Then that will get effed up and the other guys will take over again. But we

Do you really think our system is working? I don't. We need whole scale election reform. Yes, the president is irrelevant to that goal. The party in power never wants reform because they have the upper hand in that regard.

Why do you hate Wilco?

I don't think any of that elevates this election over any other or the next one. If anything I think they grow less important until there is some reform in place to clean up the process and take our the influence of lobbyists.

We're about to elect a person of color to the white house. Seeing that that actually happens certainly is bringing out people who might not vote otherwise. Social change is a pretty good motivator. Also the economy is kind of in the tank. There are going to be a lot if disappointed people when the economy isn't fixed 6 or 9 months into Obama's first term.

for real?

I'm always shocked when the Maker admits to liking anything.

Go back several threads. Spawn heard that on the radio, looked at me and said 'they say that every election, don't they?'