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Yeah, definitely in the top 5 of the 27 times I've seen them. Finest Worksong/Begin the Being opener, Life and How to Live it and Nightswimming in the encore, heaven Search for it. I'm 99% sure it was on Dime. If you find it, it probably wont have seeders so let me know and I'll open mine up for you.

It's gotta be in the archives somewhere. Hopefully someday it comes out.

I will revisit it, although whether you or I like it, the reaction scared them of any future experimentation I love that too. It was a b-side to one of the HiFi singles. I think they also covered Galveston in the Rough Cut documentary but that has not been released.

See that's the question, I'm not sure they lost interest in themselves or just made a bad record. You're absolutely right about Reveal, A for effort. They tried to make a sunny pop record and kind of succeeded. They lost their way with ATS but not sure if it was due to lack of interest or the way they made Up and Reveal stopped working. I'm one of the biggest REM completists out there and I dont even have that REM Live record. Right on both counts about the greatest hits record although I think that was due to WB more than anything. That tour was great. Saw it 3 times but the last was

I think had they done HiFi instead of Monster things may have taken a different track. I personally don't care how many people love them as long as I like what they are doing so my points aren't a lament that they didn't stay popular but more my feelings on why they lost their popularity. The made their worst album (up to that time) at the height of their popularity and didn't follow it up with a tour of greatest hits and a record that sounded like the ones that made them big, then suffered the inevitable drop. E-Bow wasn't the smartest first single if you're trying to bring back lost fans,

I actually think Monster was the end of their world domination. I remember the used CD racks being full of them in the months after it came out. My friends who liked REM for OOT and Automatic were put off and really never came back and i think that was a case for a lot of those early 90's REM fans. It's not that it was loud, it just wasn't very melodic and quite frankly, wasnt that good. I also dont think it helped that by the Fall leg of the '95 tour they were playing 5 new songs per night that no one except the diehards knew along with the Monster stuff. They stay off the road for 5 year

It's funny, there's a lot of discussion on the R.E.M. boards about the decline in quality over the years, Stipes lyrics etc. They clearly aren't the same band as they once were and I think much of that is attributable to the loss of BB, how the dynamic changed and how inevitably they are different people from who they were. It's kind of sad that that Reveal and especially around the sun don't measure up to the earlier stuff but there are good songs on both. The question as a fan is, do you want them to stop or do you like getting a new REM record every 3 years with at least some songs you d

Even though I really like accelerate and think its the best batch of songs they had since maybe automatic, I've been of the opinion that maybe this should be the last record, before they turn into U2 and just make "R.E.M." records for the rest of their career. Say what you want about Up and Reveal but at least they were trying new thigs, I actually thought Up was great. The 2 songs released already and this trailer have me thinking differently though. While they clearly aren't breaking new ground (at least with what we've heard), these are really good songs and if this record is up to the

Thanks for the link. Listened once and i like it, I think. Not sure although a lot of my favorite rem songs have been growers.

You can probably find a link on murmurs.com. They've been giving Xmas singles to fan club members every year since '88, most years it s a Xmas song with a cover on the b-side but some years it's been 2 Xmas songs and some none. This year they finally do their take on Christmas (baby please come home) with mills on vox and bill berry back on drums. Last year was santa baby which was kind of weird with mills singing it. He actually has sung most of them.

I would think Madonna kind of fits the bill. I can't remember what critics initially thought of her but I know some of her later stuff was really appreciated, like Ray Of Light. Also the Monkees, they started as Johnny Bravo and quickly evolved into making a record like Pisces in which they wrote and played it and had hits. Granted, this all happened over a 2 year period but they did break out.

Lol, that's why theres vanilla and chocolate I guess. i love I will take you home out of space because of the way Jerry led into it with those midi effects, real pretty if you ask me. BTW, a DVD of 9/10/91 just went up on the traders den 30 minutes ago. No idea of quality but I jumped on it. Better take this to the dead thread before people get pissed.

Oh yeah, best keyboard player they had imo and some real good tunes too although I wish Just A Little Light never made the cut.

If you havent listned in a while, check out the MSG runs in Sept '90 and '91 (9/10/91 with Branford Marsalis is an absolute standout.) 6/17/91 is a fun show with a lot of Dark Star teases. Yeah Vince can be annoying but you can tune him out. Makes you think of what could have been had BH accepted the gig full time. My problem with early 80's dead is that while I love the fender rhodes, i don't love it in dead music and Brent used it a lot. Just doesn't sound right to me.

I did not, thanks for the info. Makes me like the song a little more although with U2 I like sometimes like the sentiment more than the execution.

Hear ya, gave up a long time ago trying to change minds on music. In one of those moods now where I'm listening to a lot of dead and thinking about it a lot so wanted to give the other side.

I would say it's a grower. God Part II? lets just say I wish they skipped the sequel

Funny, this turning into the anti dead thread. Not that I'd ever change your mind, but for me the '87-'91 period is by far the most interesting period for this band (and among heads, I'd probaby be out voted 99 to 1 on this opionion as the early '70's are the holy grail from most heads) because of all the different styles they incorporated and how seemlessly they could go from rock to blues to jazz to ballads to spacey jams and back, all in one set. The leftover 60's vibe may have been in the lot but on stage they were very much up to date with their use of midi and constantly evolving thei

Not that I'm some sort of nube, I work in telecom and know how firewalling works. Just dont understand why you would be a seeder then block it with a firewall. I think your explanation makes sense. That troc show sounds great, almost like a sbd. This version of God continues to impress, worth the pull for that alone.

Never run into that. I'm assuming being firewalled means no one can get to your data? If so, why be a seeder?

Thanks A-man. Actually think it was somehow my issue as I was never listed as a leecher. Had to delete the torrent and add it 3 times before it "took." Downloaded 92Gig's off dime and never had that problem. Again, sorry for being off topic.

Can't thank the tapers enough, snatched both copies. That version of God is truly amazing, would love to see Wilco try some beatles covers, and do more covers in general. If he hates ny, then i really don't want to know what he thinks of Philly having played here solo twice, once in 2001 and this year at the folk festival. Of topic here but if anyone snatched the philly show at the troc from 2/14/97 off of dime in late October and can go on and seed for me Id appreciate it. I have no idea how i missed it the first time around as i check dime daily. It says there are 3 seeders but they a

Want to balance the lack of love R.E.M. has gotten on this thread a little. I thought Accelerate was excellent, the best batch of songs since Automatic. I happen to love Up and really like HiFi, Reveal was Ok too (Around the Sun sucked.) If Accelerate had come out in '94 instead of Monster, I think they would have held on to the fans they picked up with Out of Time and Automatic. Monster just didn't have very good songs and combined with the glam/noise approach they took, they turned off a lot of people who never came back. I think the sameness people attibute to Accelerate is due to the

It's true there aren't a lot of good one's but it's no skin off of my back and they make it. If it sucks, i won't see it, if the reviews are positive, i'd check it out. As I said, for me the lack of music wouldn't be a big deal as it didn't exist then. Hearing the influces could be interesting. I never saw that but it sounds like all of the awful Bio Channel biographies on rock bands when they're too cheap to license the music so they have this sound alike music playing in the background. The Zep and Stones Bio's were escpecially egregious. I remember that bad Beach Boys Biopic when

Why not? Could kind of be like Backbeat (not that I thought that was great) but a well done movie about his pre-dead life and all his influences could be good and interesting if well done. I don't think it's a big deal about licensing Jerry or Dead songs since they didn't exist during the time the movie would take place. I think it's stupid they wouldn't license songs without seeing the finished product but I don't think them not being there would be a big deal.