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'grandpa pissed his pants again/he don't give a damn' - warren zevon, play it all night long

I'd love to see your list of all the albums made while artists were on hallucinogens and specifically designed for listeners on hallucinogens.

You are completely wrong.

you're tripping, aren't you?

dude, what about jeff "skunk" baxter. theres some great playing all over the early steely dan records.

'Pearl of the Quarter' was my immediate choice.

Seriously, why in the hell are you listening to 9-10 minutes of music that doesn't "appeal" to you or "hold any interest at all"?

i readily admit i've changed my opinions about music before, and sometimes it takes multiple instances for something to sink in. but not this time.

np: Butthole Surfers - Rembrandt Pussyhorse [now *this* is psychedelic music.]

Which section of "Dark Star" is folk/bluegrass-based? "Drums"? "Space"? "Cream Puff War?"? "Sand Castles and Glass Camels"?

 

Obviously, the Grateful Dead are not only a psychedelic band, but they are a psychedelic band.

there's more noodles in 'dark star' than yr average chinese restaurant. seriously, garcia and weir's playing just doesn't appeal to me.

on the fillmore '71 version i am currently listeining to, it only catches my interest in the ~9 to 10:30 minute mark area...otherwise there's way too much wool gathering to hold any interest at all. i'll take a crack at 'drums > space' from dick's picks vol 21 next, but i don't have high hopes.

agreed that as a pigeonhole, 'psychedelic' has been the most abused term outside of 'indie' but for me there are still clear properties. i would consider these bands to have a heavy psych streak in them:

13th floor elevators

pink floyd up until DSotM

spacemen 3

the church

hawkwind

chrome/helios creed

charalambides

ash ra temple

acid mothers temple

comets on fire

dungen

it's certainly open to interpretation, and in my world, the Dead just don't fit into it.

I really hope you are pulling my leg.

absolutely not. i listened to a Dick's Pick today (fillmore, '70) just to make sure. yep, i'm sure.

The Dead were a better psych band than anything on that page.

so which ones have you actually heard?

the dead are folk/bluegrass-based, definitely not a psych band (regardless of their lysergic ingestion habits).

Yep, lazy following a "lame-ass jug band" all over the country.

see, my theory is validated.

'back in my day...'

In the automobile world isn't a "classic" car defined as one that is at least 25 years old? I wish we could instate those rules here, because I haven't listened to about 99% of the swill that's been put out since 1984.

nothing is more tired than the 'there is no new good music' lament. it generally means you just got lazy or apathetic.

no, they were some sort of lame-ass jug band.

far too much wimpy noodling, no fire. two drummers? they could have gotten by w/ a bongo player.

psych bands of note, in that era, just from one label...there are many more...:

http://www.forcedexposure.com/labels/akarma.italy.html

This is a good one but saying it's better than All Apologies is kind of silly.

in my mind it's not even close. in your mind, you reach the same conclusion, but we are choosing different options.

My Bloody Valentine is playing here tonight, but I'm not going. I bought Loveless in college and have never really understood what all the fuss was about.

texture over melody (though they can churn out out a good melody when they want to...cf "When You Sleep").

I have never heard a song from Dinosaur Jr. that's as good as "All Apologies". And that's my subjective truth!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln8XsL6veaU

Say what? I agree iTunes sucks - what is foobar? (I mean, I googled it, and found info, but what's the skinny?)

foobar is an open source media player, mp3 tagger, database etc...hugely customizable, and uses very little resources while running. if you are a coder you can do tons w/ it, or just use it like me...find someone's mod you like and use it.

you will still need iTunes (or something anapod) to move songs onto yr ipod.

adobe software = biggest computer resource hog ever.

at least it's doing some serious crunching...iTunes is a colossal waste of resources for no good reason. run foobar and it'll be clear.

I'm in the market for my second external. Any recommendations?

you will always find people who have had failures w/ a specific brand and then swore off using them in the future.

i've had 7 different external hard drives...Western Digital, Maxtor, Seagate and Fantom. two have failed; a WD500 after over a year, and a Seagate after a few weeks. my Maxtor 300gb is my oldest and is at least 4 years old at this point. i've been happy w/ the Fantom drives i've gotten recently, but i really should look into a RAID system.

I'm actually going to buy a second 1 TB drive to back up my backup.

that's a good idea.

it not's *if* the hard drive will fail, it's *when*.

and i am *way* behind in backing up my data...i've got at least 50 gigs (shows, not GB...it's a lot more than 50GB) worth of photos w/ no redundancy right now...not good.

They can't bring themselves to say "don't like." It's mean.

I don't like the Grateful Dead. Aside from "Blues For Allah."

There. I said it.

I disagree he has always had "An emporers new clothes" feel to me. People rave about him publicly and wax peotically about his genius and how difficult it is to understand him, but in the long run, I do not believe that what they write means what they think it means. And he is basiclaly exposed for what he is on the very first listen. Beer is an ecquired taste and I grew to like it fairly quickly and love it over time. I neither love Beefheart nor like him and I have been trying for far longer than I have with beer.

guessing at others' motives and interpretations is always a dangerous game.

The two greatest psychedelic bands of all time [OP was referring to Pink Floyd and Grateful Dead], and also the two single greatest live acts in rock history(ok, throw the young WHO in there as well) both in terms of the show and the technology they pushed to change the live experience as we know it today.

your definition of 'psychedelic' and 'greatest live act' wildly differs from mine...the Dead are neither.

i would start w/ either _murray street_ or _sonic nurse_ and work backwards.

if you want to start right into choppier waters, _EVOL_ is awesome (as is _Sister_).

i'm no fan of the _The Wall_ but the previous work, i think, is pretty spotless. take "shine on," that's an incredible paean to a lost band member. if you want me to cherry pick some favorites for yr scrutiny i certainly can.

btw, Qui covered "Echoes."

Question to both of you: If they are such great lyricists, then why doesn't anybody ever cover their songs?

that seems like an odd correlation to make.

there are plenty of often-covered songs w/ crap lyrics.

and yes, I'd say that Floyd are almost always revered when it comes to lyrics. seriously, i can't believe it's in question.

"In 1984, I was hospitalized for approaching perfection/slowly screwing my way across Europe, they had to make a correction"

I'm glad others have mentioned Trout Mask because that one never worked for me either.

is that because you don't get Beefheart in general, or just that album.

i will say that I prefer _Safe As Milk_ but i do like TMR as well.

"Oh, I just don't know where to begin"