MrRain422 Posted October 26, 2006 Author Share Posted October 26, 2006 I hate the Yankees so...I'll agree. Trade him! Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 There is something to be said for addition by subtraction, however. And the Ewing Theory for those who read the Sports Guy. I know it sounds like heresy, but sometimes you need a role player to shorten up with two strikes and hit to right field instead of a star who cant do that so instead he swings for the fences and hits a home run once every 15-20 at bats. I understand that the object here is for teams to make money. Its a business. But if the yanks want to win the WS again, they should learn from the 96-2000 teams. Focus more on pitching, pitching, pitching and surround a few stars with smart good ballplayers. Get rid of A-Rod and Sheff. A great team will beat a team of all-stars in any true team sport. The yanks prove it in baseball, the pats in football, and USA basketball in basketball. Thats ridiculous. You think the Mets would be better off without Wright? No. They wouldn't. And he hits homeruns too! Omg. someone put together a deal to trade a-rod for pitchers of a comparable caliber. and then get a-rod to agree to the go. the stove is cold bitches! There are all kinds of teams that could do it. The reds look like the front runners now. Arod met with some high up Reds officials yesterday. I'd say Homer Bailey and Adum Dunn gets it done, though that would be a terrible move for the Reds to make. Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Thats ridiculous. You think the Mets would be better off without Wright? No. They wouldn't. And he hits homeruns too! Omg. No, I used that as an example of my larger point which was that winning teams dont need 9 allstars. They need a complement of all-around players that play the entire game well. David Wright is a good fielder, has good speed, hits the ball to right field, etc. Yes, he also hits home runs. When did I insinuate that the Mets would be better off without Wright? I dont know that the Yanks would be able to get equal value for ARod if they traded him for pitching, but even if they got lesser value, I think the Yanks would be better off with a solid #2 pitcher. You know why? Because they already have Sheffield, Giambi, Matsui, Posada, etc. Stick a third baseman in there who fields well, doesnt need to be a hero and comes to play every day. Replace ARod with a solid front-end starter and the Yanks are a better team. OMG!!! Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted October 26, 2006 Author Share Posted October 26, 2006 Yeah, but they could get a solid #2 starter for any one of those other guys that you listed. Why dump their best player if they can get what they need by giving up less? Link to post Share on other sites
Kicking_Television Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 No, I used that as an example of my larger point which was that winning teams dont need 9 allstars. They need a complement of all-around players that play the entire game well. David Wright is a good fielder, has good speed, hits the ball to right field, etc. Yes, he also hits home runs. When did I insinuate that the Mets would be better off without Wright? I dont know that the Yanks would be able to get equal value for ARod if they traded him for pitching, but even if they got lesser value, I think the Yanks would be better off with a solid #2 pitcher. You know why? Because they already have Sheffield, Giambi, Matsui, Posada, etc. Stick a third baseman in there who fields well, doesnt need to be a hero and comes to play every day. Replace ARod with a solid front-end starter and the Yanks are a better team. OMG!!! Seconded. nuff said Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Yeah, but they could get a solid #2 starter for any one of those other guys that you listed. Why dump their best player if they can get what they need by giving up less? Because I was being somewhat conservative in my example. I think the Yanks can probably get a #1 for him. Probably not with the other guys though. Or at least not Sheffield given his age and injuries. And not Giambi given his salary and his history. And if I am the Yanks, I would want to build my team around a nucleus of Jeter, Cano, Matsui, Posada (assuming that that nucleus is surrounded by a kick ass rotation). But thats just me. Reasonable minds can differ of course. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 I'd love to read where the Reds were talking about getting A-Rod. I just read that Cashman told A-Rod he WON'T be traded. OMG !!!! David Wright only hit 20 some homers this year Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted October 26, 2006 Author Share Posted October 26, 2006 Posada is getting awfully old himself. Yes, A-Rod should bring in a #1 starter. Sheff could easily bring in a #1 starter who is in a contract year I think. Or he could if he wasn't in a contract year himself anyway. Seriously though, I have no idea why anyone wouldn't want Alex Rodriguez on their team. Anyway, he's not going to be traded anyway. But I guess it's something to talk about when there's no fucking World Series games being played. Arg. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 A-Rod on the right team would be great to have, come on he hits 50 homers doesn't he ? put him back at short on a team that doesn't have the NY pressure and he'll win a WS. Put him on the Angels and see. I think Sheff is a bigger trouble maker than A-RodSheff is old and now injury prone. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted October 26, 2006 Author Share Posted October 26, 2006 A-Rod on the right team would be great to have, come on he hits 50 homers doesn't he ? put him back at short on a team that doesn't have the NY pressure and he'll win a WS. Put him on the Angels and see. I think Sheff is a bigger trouble maker than A-RodSheff is old and now injury prone. I don't think NY pressure has anything to do with A-Rod not winning a World Series. He's played great there. I think they haven't won with him because they don't have any pitching. Sheff is definately a big trouble maker. Remember a couple years ago where he said that, if he were traded, he would refuse to report to his new team? What a dick. No one forced him to sign a contract without a no trade clause -- he chose to, because it got him some extra money. Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 I think they haven't won with him because they don't have any pitching. What he said. Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 true, ya need pitching for sure, but he's become a big distraction. When he stikes out 3 times in a game it's on the front page. he also seems like a bit of recluse, wich doesn't work in NY eh, just my 2 cent Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 And the Ewing Theory for those who read the Sports Guy.PATRICK EWING DID NOT NEED AN INFOMERCIAL! Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted October 26, 2006 Author Share Posted October 26, 2006 true, ya need pitching for sure, but he's become a big distraction. When he stikes out 3 times in a game it's on the front page. he also seems like a bit of recluse, wich doesn't work in NY eh, just my 2 cent A big distraction for who? Maybe for the fans, and it certainly is for the media, but the team still had the most wins in baseball this year (despite two major injuries), so I don't think they're getting distracted. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Because I was being somewhat conservative in my example. I think the Yanks can probably get a #1 for him. Probably not with the other guys though. Or at least not Sheffield given his age and injuries. And not Giambi given his salary and his history. And if I am the Yanks, I would want to build my team around a nucleus of Jeter, Cano, Matsui, Posada (assuming that that nucleus is surrounded by a kick ass rotation). But thats just me. Reasonable minds can differ of course. A line up of A-rods would have scored 7.18 runs per game last year, regardless of whether they "hit the ball to right field" or not. Jorge Posada in his best years has created more runs than that only twice. Arod has had two full seasons under that. In terms of Range Factor, Arod was slightly below league average this year. So he's not a great defensive 3rd baseman, but he's not going to kill you. He actually had a slightly higher RF than David Wright this year, for what it's worth. Give me a lineup of ARods at every position and you can take your role players. Also, Jeter's RC/27 this year was 7.58, Cano's was 7.30, Matsui was at 7.17, and Posada was at 6.46. So collectively, they were slightly better than ARod in arguably his worst year. Dontrelle is the best Major league starter the Yankees can probably get for Arod, since there simply isn't a glut of available starting pitching out there. Dontrelle is not a number 1 starter, no matter how great a player he is. He is not a stopper. He relies on great defense, which the Yankees simply do not have, even if they replace A-rod with someone who plays great defense. Notice the year he had a ridiculous 2.5 ERA, he had 2 gold glovers in his infield, a SS who played gold glove defense, a right fielder who played Gold glove defense, and a center fielder who played gold glove defense. This year, he had subpar defenders at every position but 3rd and 2nd, and he was pretty inconsistent. They are better off keeping him. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted October 26, 2006 Author Share Posted October 26, 2006 Sheff is whining about the Yankees picking up his option and says that he will not play first base for them next year. This guy really has a lot of issues with the contract the he agreed to. Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Do they really, really, really need 30 minutes of pregame? Come on, it's baseball - not like there's no down time for analysis between the 220-250 pitches. 5-10 minutes of pregame, tops, then the game might end at a halfway decent hour. Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 no shit - and what was up with that crappy video from that woman I have never heard of?? Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I thought it was gonna be Neko Case singing the NatAnthem, not Nikko Smith and His Amazing Vocal Gymnastics (As Seen On American Idol!). That Nina was hott, but is cool. Link to post Share on other sites
parisisstale Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Missed a few days here. Some very brief thoughts. Cano will hit .340 again. The Yankees want no part of Sheff anymore, but may be stuck with him. A-Rod probably will stay. Doesn't mean they're not checking what the market is for him, and definitely doesn't mean he wouldn't love to be anywhere else. We get it, Jeter doesn't put up MVP numbers. He's still GREAT! If you haven't seen his greatness, then you just don't get it. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted October 27, 2006 Author Share Posted October 27, 2006 I said right in the post that Jeter is a legitimate MVP candidate this year. And no one here said (I don't think) that he isn't an excellent player. Just not as great as he's usually credited for. However...well, I just don't understand people's resistence to stats. Stats are a record of what happened, of what people did (or did not do) to help their teams win games. And MVP candidate or not, he is a terrible choice for the Hank Aaron award, which was the point of that post. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 I said right in the post that Jeter is a legitimate MVP candidate this year. And no one here said (I don't think) that he isn't an excellent player. Just not as great as he's usually credited for. However...well, I just don't understand people's resistence to stats. Stats are a record of what happened, of what people did (or did not do) to help their teams win games. And MVP candidate or not, he is a terrible choice for the Hank Aaron award, which was the point of that post. Stats are evil. David Eckstein is better than Arod, no matter what you nerds may think. OBS this! Link to post Share on other sites
explodo Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Damn. Not that it bothers me too much, but what the hell is up with the Tigers' pitchers? Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 What happened to the Gary Sheffield who said he'd have a shitfit if the Yankees trades him? I miss him. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 Cardinals take game 4. They say baseball (and football, tennis and that goat-dragging sport they have in Afghanistan) is a game of inches, and doesn't that Monroe guy know it. Link to post Share on other sites
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