The inevitable sell out post

[Spawn's dad]

London Calling landed on a Jaguar commercial a few years back and I thought it was deeply, deeply wrong.

[cryptique]

  tonyblair said:

all of those quotes relate to how Jeff wants his music to be sold, which I think is different to how it might be used to sell something else. His music, the cd's, the shows, are still the same as they were...

  jnickerson said:

With all do respect, that is a rather weak defense. Jeff is an artist, not a car salesman.

Oh. My. God. "Weak defense"? He only pointed out that none of the quotes you listed actually addresses the point that you're trying to make. NONE OF THEM. So which defense is "weak," here, exactly?

[Calexico]

I voted for Beltmann. And Caliber. And Earl.

 

 

I never liked Paul McCartney.....

[plasticeyeball]

  fan.boy. said:

London Calling landed on a Jaguar commercial a few years back and I thought it was deeply, deeply wrong.

 

 

I did too and I'm asuming it was just because it was the Clash and the band ethic that made it so wrong. I don't know if I've changed over the few years since then or if it's just become so commonplace to hear things I like in commercials as opposed to songs I don't notice but one things for sure, I don't feel strong enough either way to argue it for 26 pages.

[Analogman]

  Calexico said:

I voted for Beltmann. And Caliber. And Earl.

I never liked Paul McCartney.....

 

Careful, he is the messiah on this board.

[Calexico]

  Analogman said:

Careful, he is the messiah on this board.

 

 

 

My middle name is Iconoclast.

[Calexico]

And to be clear, I meant Paul McCartney the actual Beatle.

[ction]

  fat.boy. said:

I'd like to direct a question to jnickerson...

 

Am I wrong to read the following post as you viewing potential Wilco fans who come to the band through the VW ads as being inferior to a long-standing Uncle Tupelo and Wilco fan such as yourself?

 

Interesting question, from an interesting and handsome young man...

[Beltmann]

  TheMaker said:

Do I care if you agree with those reasons? Could not give a fuck. But you'd better believe I want you to recognize them and acknowledge that they exist.

Your consistent position: Selling

[Guest Speed Racer]

  jnickerson said:

I fully intend to, as stated earlier, I'm having a hard enough time keeping up with this one.

 

Is that the only response you could muster?

 

Don

[Beltmann]

I'd like to add that I don't think jnickerson is a troll; in fact, I think it's clear he loves Wilco and has some articulate thoughts about this particular issue. This is a good discussion to have, and I've enjoyed it.

[Good Old Neon]

  cryptique said:

Oh. My. God. "Weak defense"? He only pointed out that none of the quotes you listed actually addresses the point that you're trying to make. NONE OF THEM. So which defense is "weak," here, exactly?

 

I think

[cryptique]

  Beltmann said:

I'd like to add that I don't think jnickerson is a troll

I would agree with you about that IF starting this thread hadn't been his first act on this board, and if he'd merely added a comment to the thread about the VW commercial that already existed, rather than starting this one. As it is, this thread stands as a monument to jnickerson's need for attention.

[Good Old Neon]

  Speed Racer said:

Well crap on a stick. Read through these 27 pages and find that I HAVE responded to your first post. Everyone has. Not everyone agrees with you, but some folks do. Awesome. People are calling you a troll because you either can't get over yourself or can't get over your cause.

 

I

[cryptique]

  jnickerson said:

I think

[Good Old Neon]

  cryptique said:

You're the one spinning here. You're taking comments that weren't addressing this situation and trying to apply them to this situation. You can interpret them any way you like, but unless you know exactly what Jeff was referring to, it's just your guess, now, isn't it? In other words, your spin.

 

Go read the article - it's pretty cut and dry. Those were answer to specific questions.

 

  cryptique said:

I would agree with you about that IF starting this thread hadn't been his first act on this board, and if he'd merely added a comment to the thread about the VW commercial that already existed, rather than starting this one. As it is, this thread stands as a monument to jnickerson's need for attention.

 

You

[Guest Speed Racer]

  Beltmann said:

I'd like to add that I don't think jnickerson is a troll; in fact, I think it's clear he loves Wilco and has some articulate thoughts about this particular issue. This is a good discussion to have, and I've enjoyed it.

 

It is a good discussion to have, and he's clearly not a troll - he's simply not making the best impression by only posting in his own thread and brushing off everyone who doesn't agree with a 'you're not responding to my questions' shtick. Because that's what trolls do. Again, he's not one, but he's assuming the position at this point and it's harder to become a member of a community when you don't try to integrate - yeah?

 

I agree that a lot of people have every right to be uncomfortable with the VW thing. Other people aren't. They aren't betraying their principles because they don't feel Wilco has 'sold out,' they simply have different principles. And Wilco probably had very little to do with the Holocaust.

 

  jnickerson said:

You keep attacking the topic, by posting in the topic.

 

That's how people discuss things, generally - talking about a topic by mentioning it...

[Good Old Neon]

  cryptique said:

You're the one spinning here. You're taking comments that weren't addressing this situation and trying to apply them to this situation. You can interpret them any way you like, but unless you know exactly what Jeff was referring to, it's just your guess, now, isn't it? In other words, your spin.

 

Jeff has been saying similar things for years, going back to the early nineties

[caliber66]

  Beltmann said:

Your consistent position: Selling

[ction]

  jnickerson said:

Go read the article - it's pretty cut and dry. Those were answer to specific questions.

 

Did you post a link?

 

Not knowing anything about the article or the interview, those quotes (answers) looked like they were given to questions about file sharing and music downloading.

[Good Old Neon]

  Speed Racer said:

It is a good discussion to have, and he's clearly not a troll - he's simply not making the best impression by only posting in his own thread and brushing off everyone who doesn't agree with a 'you're not responding to my questions' shtick. Because that's what trolls do. Again, he's not one, but he's assuming the position at this point and it's harder to become a member of a community when you don't try to integrate - yeah?

 

I agree that a lot of people have every right to be uncomfortable with the VW thing. Other people aren't. They aren't betraying their principles because they don't feel Wilco has 'sold out,' they simply have different principles. And Wilco probably had very little to do with the Holocaust.

That's how people discuss things, generally - talking about a topic by mentioning it...

 

My point, is if you do not like the discussion, why continue to perpetuate it by posting in it?

 

Simply ignore it.

[cryptique]

  jnickerson said:

Go read the article - it's pretty cut and dry. Those were answer to specific questions.

You’re right, I should have posted in the “other” commercial thread, and I would have had I been a bit more thorough before posting – for that, I apologize.

I did read the article. The article is about file-sharing, not about music appearing in commercials. Ergo, those comments are not addressing music appearing in commercials, they're addressing file-sharing. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

  jnickerson said:

Jeff has been saying similar things for years, going back to the early nineties – go back and read some back issues of Forced Exposure – Magnet Magazine – Alternative Press and the hundred other zines available at the time. These quotes were taken from his most recent example.

The most recent example of him talking about file-sharing, not music in commercials. THESE TWO THINGS ARE DIFFERENT. Your attempt to use these quotations to buttress your argument against music appearing in commercials is intellectually dishonest. If you're going to use quotations, at least find some that are actually relevant to your argument. What you're doing only undermines your own argument, and makes you look ridiculous.

[Spawn's dad]

haheheha you said butt

[Guest Speed Racer]

  jnickerson said:

My point, is if you do not like the discussion, why continue to perpetuate it by posting in it?

 

Simply ignore it.

 

THE FIRST SENTENCE IN THE PARAGRAPH YOU QUOTED WAS, "IT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION TO HAVE."

 

Is that clearer?

[cryptique]

  fat.boy. said:

Did you post a link?

 

Not knowing anything about the article or the interview, those quotes (answers) looked like they were given to questions about file sharing and music downloading.

He didn't post a link, but it's here.