samuel70 Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 I know this thread belongs to the "In the future age" section, but I would like to have the opinion of most of you guys. You probably know the great Archive.org website, if not go and discover the Ali Baba's cave. Amazing bands list here.As an example, just check out Ryan Adams section over there. 218 shows available in lossless format, mostly soundboards/matrix from 1998 until the latest show 7 days ago ! I was wondering why Wilco is not yet present amongst the bands and recordings featured on the website.Wilco is a taper friendly band so I guess they'd agree with fans uploading shows to the Archive and have more people discover the great live band Wilco is. Here's the pre-requisite to post shows at the Archive.org :We'd like to make sure that a trade-friendly band would not mind having their shows in the Archive for public download. The best way for us to find out is by getting permission from a band representative or by the band's having an explicit policy that covers this type of site. If there are no shows by the band, either we don't have enough of this information to go forward with archiving, they have declined participation, or we are ready to accept shows but no one has uploaded anything yet. (Also, see the band status FAQ). So, anyone ever tried to have Wilco present on the Archive ? Is there any management restriction already mentioned ? If not, I'd be happy uploading a lot of shows I own (lossless). Hope we can join forces and make it the one place to bring freely Wilco shows to the masses. Cheers, Samuel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Ms. Kidsmoke is ok with this - we need to write a letter to send to Wilco management. I was about to let you know - weird. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markosis Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 I'm glad someone brought this up because I've been wondering the same thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
samuel70 Posted November 3, 2007 Author Share Posted November 3, 2007 Ms. Kidsmoke is ok with this - we need to write a letter to send to Wilco management. Any good writer around here ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAngerer09 Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 The Archive would be a perfect place for Wilco shows. There are so many instances when people want to hear just one certain song from a show, but don't want to download a huge .flac torrent of the whole thing just to hear one song (like a song that is rarely played, or something along those lines). It is also great for people who don't use torrents and for people like myself- my university was targeted last year by the RIAA and we (Ohio University) were ranked the #1 downloaders of illegal music. Our school has since spent a ton of money on software that tracks everyone's p2p use and our internet gets shut off if we get caught with torrents and such. It is also great because it would be a one stop place for all Wilco shows that are taped and if you recently attended one and want to download it as a keepsake type of thing, you know where to go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 I have someone in mind to write the note. I am going to read over the FAQ's and also, work on the list of shows out there right now + what I have. I assume we will not be accepting tour compilations or studio/demo tracks for this project. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
samuel70 Posted November 3, 2007 Author Share Posted November 3, 2007 ...nd also, work on the list of shows out there right now + what I have. I'll do the same and, if it turns out well, we can share the upload task.Of course the more uploaders, the better ! Samuel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 I just finished searching bt.etree, dime a dozen, pure live gigs, and tape city. Maybe we can attempt to make a master list - I have my list in Excel - but we can't upload that sort of file here. I suppose we shall have to do it via email. I did not mess with any Uncle Tupelo shows - as that probably involves dudes outside of Wilco - maybe we can get UT shows up there if we are successful in getting Wilco up there. I have the following info on my list: Band--Date--City/State/Country--Source--Download Complete-- Torrent Site Wilco 9/10/1995 Wilco 1/31/1997Wilco 2/19/1997Wilco 4/23/1997Wilco 5/10/1997Wilco 9/4/1997Wilco 9/14/1998Wilco 3/11/1999Wilco 6/23/1999Wilco 11/23/1999Wilco 4/28/2000Wilco 8/12/2000Wilco 10/5/2001Wilco 4/24/2002Wilco 10/29/2002Wilco 5/1/2003Wilco 6/21/2003Wilco 6/28/2003Wilco 6/6/2004Wilco 11/13/2004Wilco 11/19/2004Wilco 12/31/2004Wilco 2/24/2005Wilco 2/24/2005Wilco 3/15/2005Wilco 4/13/2005Wilco 6/17/2005Wilco 6/24/2005Wilco 6/26/2005Wilco 6/28/2005Jeff Tweedy 7/1/2005Wilco 10/13/2005Jeff Tweedy 11/13/2005Jeff Tweedy 11/18/2005Wilco 3/18/2006Wilco 3/22/2006Wilco 4/19/2006Wilco 6/11/2006Wilco 7/7/2006Wilco 10/18/2006Jeff Tweedy 1/21/2007Wilco 1/23/2007Wilco 4/16/2007Wilco 4/18/2007Wilco 4/19/2007Wilco 5/24/2007Wilco 5/25/2007Wilco 5/28/2007Wilco 5/29/2007Wilco 6/2/2007Wilco 6/13/2007Wilco 6/15/2007Wilco 6/17/2007Wilco 6/19/2007Wilco 6/20/2007Wilco 6/21/2007Wilco 6/22/2007Wilco 6/24/2007Wilco 6/25/2007Wilco 6/26/2007Wilco 6/28/2007Wilco 6/30/2007Wilco 7/14/2007Wilco 7/20/2007Wilco 8/21/2007Wilco 8/22/2007Wilco 8/24/2007Wilco 8/29/2007Wilco 9/1/2007Wilco 9/2/2007Wilco 9/12/2007Wilco 9/14/2007Wilco 9/19/2007Wilco 9/21/2007Jeff Tweedy 10/5/2007Wilco 10/9/2007Wilco 10/13/2007Wilco 10/14/2007Wilco 10/17/2007Wilco 10/19/2007Wilco 10/20/2007 Several of these I have - as mentioned above - I have that noted on my list. Of course, many of these are dead torrents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
howdjadoo Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Can I have an invite for this one as well? I was dreaming of a steel guitar engagement(You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime get what you need) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 I suppose we will have to have a debate and elect a leader. (joke) Personally, I welcome anyone who wants to help. There are those out there that know much more than me when it comes to this stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
howdjadoo Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Let's get aboard first and see what 's possible My bad in the midlle of a Halo 3 session-later Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Alright. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Szabo Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 I'm all for it and will help any way possible. Archive.org is also great for discovering new music. I do have some friends whos bands are on Archive.org, but the first step would obviously be contacting Wilco management about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 A very detailed FAQ - including templates for writing letters to the band. Also - we will have to change some files most likely so that they meet the following rule:If you upload FLAC filesets to the LMA, please follow the naming standards to help the checking program here. Directories should be named with .flac16 or .flac24 suffix, not .flac. Otherwise, the program will report failures. As of 5/2006, the upload method has changed significantly. Here is a walkthrough in PDF with screenshots. Another text description is here. Before uploading any show, read the band's policy notes for this site. Many artists place limitations on their material here, and info is often updated. Please do not upload shows for any band that does not yet have a curator-created collection page here, even if you know the band has recently emailed their permission. Advance attempts may significantly complicate or delay the curators' setup process for the band. Next, be sure that you are logged in as an Internet Archive member. Have the fileset on your computer already, correctly prepared and correctly named. Files must be in lossless format (.flac or .shn), from lossless parent source material; we will optionally create the extra "lossy derivative" copies (.mp3, .ogg) onsite. Prepare to create an item, following example tips here or here. What file formats are accepted for contributions to the Live Music Archive? Currently, the Live Music Archive will only accept audio files in either of two lossless formats: FLAC (.flac) or Shorten (.shn). Please Note that MKW files (.mkw) are *NOT* an acceptable file format for your contributions because they lack cross-platform compatibility (Mac users are unable to play or decode MKW files) In addition, please do not upload the lossy files (MP3 or OGG) next to your FLAC or SHN format files - the Archive creates those files automatically, provided that the contributor agrees to having them available. This ensures that all the files here have uniform quality options selected. Please follow etree.org's Seeding Guidelines when preparing your contributions for addition to the collection. Pay particular attention to the Naming Standards section. A well-named identifier helps patrons find your show in our large collection. A well-named set of files allows files to be listed in the proper order at the site, and allows patrons to listen to them in playlists and burn them to CD in the proper order, too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubs101 Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Could the demos be put up? Also, if it's invite only any chance of throwing one my way pls Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAngerer09 Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 it's not invite only. it is open to anyone on the net. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Edie Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 I love this idea. I have a bunch of shows, but I know that there are several peeps around here that have many of them -- 300+ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Good to hear - Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdmel Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 the conveniance of wilco on archive would be incredible Quote Link to post Share on other sites
samuel70 Posted November 3, 2007 Author Share Posted November 3, 2007 Hey, all those messages sound promising.Let's first get in touch with the management and hope they agree .I'll have to leave this task up to you english speaking fans (although the band seems to enjoy Belgium a lot this year, I'm not sure my english and nationality would serve the cause well enough ) Samuel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imsjry Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Weren't they up there at some point and the management made the shows come down? Maybe I dreamt the whole thing... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Their reasons for declining vary. Individual notes on any given opt-out band may follow in other posts to this forum, for the record. . . . .Wilco This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2006-05-10 10:28:31 link Guess, I should have looked at that sooner. Plus - maybe they just meant no soundboards. Oh well - maybe they will change their mind. If not, I would be interested in putting together a Wilco BT site or at least get people with shows to put them up on bt.etree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HighFives Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 couldn't we make something like the grotto? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAngerer09 Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 I don't see why Wilco would allow taping and encourage fans to trade their live shows and be opposed to being on the Archive website. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 Me either - I suppose we will find out one way or another. If nothing else, I am going to give all of the 2007 shows I have been grabbing to Owl. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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