Analogman Posted February 19, 2008 Share Posted February 19, 2008 Lossy police - that's hilarious!! I wish the LP would just realise that it achieves nothing if you record audience sourced discs in FLAC. There just isn't the high end present in a live environment to warrant it. Most FOH systems roll off at 16k anyway. MP3 or AAC at 320kbps is more than ample. Keep telling yourself that. Ive been downloading the 2 15 08 Boot for the past day and its only got 10%!!! Is it this slow for everyone, or does the fact that I'm on a college campus make a difference. I can understand bandwith limmiting, but im lucky if i get 1kb/s over here!!!!I could get it mailed faster! I would think that is it. Why not do a B&P with someone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Choo Choo Charlie Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Keep telling yourself that. I would think that is it. Why not do a B&P with someone. I take it you're the self appointent Sheriff of the Lossy police? I don;t need to keep telling myself that, pal. It's a fact. And I'm a mastering engineer. It's my job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zkits Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Auidiophile Fight! Audiophile Fight! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I take it you're the self appointent Sheriff of the Lossy police? I don;t need to keep telling myself that, pal. It's a fact. And I'm a mastering engineer. It's my job. I am not your pal, and I am not a sheriff. You know about sound engineering - more than I will ever know. But - you are going to tell me there is no difference between a WAV-->FLAC file and a Mp3 file? And - as I have said a 100 times - and I even have 3 pages of posts about this sort of discussion saved in MS Word - why do you think at the bottom of a lot of pages you see on a BT site it often says PLEASE DO NOT CONVERT THESE TO MP3 AND TRADE THEM - is this just some made up thing for the hell of it? People can post all the Mp3s on here they like - that has been well established. I am not busting on amyone for that - I have wasted too much time on that already. I do hope that rule changes some day. But - along with that - I don't think it is necessary to knock the work of the tapers who are doing what they do FOR FREE - LET ALONE POSTING A SHOW THE NEXT DAY AFTER THE SHOW and those who are attempting to keep things intact for those down the road. As I have said before - it's not about what I want and what someone else wants - it is not an I thing - but rather, the common practices of the trading community as a whole. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
damo Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 anyone got night 3 mp3's i dont have enough quota for the flacs for all nights Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reflectedinthemoon Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 i second the 3rd night MP3 request!!! i couldnt catch the live stream, and i am trying to get recordings of all nights. one and two were fantastic. but i need MORE MORE MOOOORRRE (like a junky). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheMaker Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 There just isn't the high end present in a live environment to warrant it. Tell me about it! There is NO discernable (read: audible) difference between an MP3 and a WAV version of the same audience recording. I've gone over it and over it, and anybody who thinks otherwise is kidding him/herself. Either that, or their stereo is fucking HAL from 2001: A Space Odyssey, and they are Superman/boy/girl. With due respect to tapers, many of whom do amazing work, these aren't fucking mastered CDs suitable for public consumption. Not even fucking close. There's hiss, there's pop, there's fuzz, there's all kinds of shit in the mix that goes hand in hand with lo-fi recording. If most traded shows were soundboards, I could maybe understand the Lossy Police's insistence on needlessly fattening up the internet with ridiculous-sized files (to say nothing of the unnecessarily long download times such files incur), but I'd still ridicule them openly. The ultimate in hilarity: album-sharing sites mostly trade MP3s; bootleg-trading sites mostly trade FLACs. I guess my hamfisted Superman joke was appropriate, because when I think about this, I sometimes wonder if we're all living in Bizarro World. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mrk Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 To hell with standard cd-compatible flacs, gimme 96khz/24bit versions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
howdjadoo Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Click on image,Start staring at the cross, whenever you see a green light you passed the test and your ears are suitable for MP3 listening Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bwhite0421 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 thanks for the mp3's. they have their place as do flac's. can't we all just get along? cheers, b Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 The ultimate in hilarity: album-sharing sites mostly trade MP3s; bootleg-trading sites mostly trade FLACs. Two different things, man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Two different things, man.And two very different crowds. The bottom line is, if the tapers want their stuff traded only in FLAC, people should respect that. Your personal convenience in listening to it in MP3 format -- that's up to you, but only by respecting the people who record these shows for us will we even be able to have these recordings in the first place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VenusStopsTrain2 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 So I'm totally thankful for all the recorders cause you all rock. But I'm wondering if day 3 has been put up on bt.tree yet? No rush, just trying to keep up and there are so many threads it's not so easy to keep up! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 So I'm totally thankful for all the recorders cause you all rock. But I'm wondering if day 3 has been put up on bt.tree yet? No rush, just trying to keep up and there are so many threads it's not so easy to keep up! I know - it's nutty, right? They will get up there - if I don't get to it in the next few days - someone else will. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mfwahl Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I usually don't go crazy for the Flac's because I don't care so much, but I can definitely hear a difference between mp3's. It may not scientifically make sense or whatever but mp3s don't sound as nice. Not a world of difference but if you're a serious audiophile I could see why you'd care. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chisoxjtrain Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I know - it's nutty, right? They will get up there - if I don't get to it in the next few days - someone else will. So has Day 3 or 4 been posted anywhere besides dimeadozen? I can't keep track either! Also, thanks to cars_cant_escape for putting them up for direct download. Big thanks to the tapers, without them, no one would be able to hear the concert outside of the concertgoers!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
faxman75 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 The first two nights that were zipped in this thread sound damn near soundboard to me. Any chance of that person upping the final three? I fucking loved listening to night one and two today and I normally skip all boots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ScreenDoor_ Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 i totally agree with the shows sounding like sb's, as for the ongoing discussion, mp3 takes all the sounds it percieves that you wont be able to hear and cuts them out making it a smaller file... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cars_cant_escape Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 This is from the Wilco world stream thread... Night 3- http://www.sendspace.com/file/9j3996 Night 4- http://www.sendspace.com/file/n22fxk The FM stream is pretty good from night 4, haven't finished downloading night 3 yet...enjoy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 This is from the Wilco world stream thread... Night 3- http://www.sendspace.com/file/9j3996 Night 4- http://www.sendspace.com/file/n22fxk The FM stream is pretty good from night 4, haven't finished downloading night 3 yet...enjoy! You rule! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Any chance of these in FLAC? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cars_cant_escape Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 I take it back...the FM stream is the worst of all 4 recordings. The AUD's are AWESOME....i mean AWESOME, best aud's i've ever heard in fact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chisoxjtrain Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Not to bite the hand that feeds me, but do you have the AUD recording of night 4? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cars_cant_escape Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 Not to bite the hand that feeds me, but do you have the AUD recording of night 4? LOL, that's what i want too...night 4 FM stream is almost unlistenable, i'm working on it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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