myboyblue Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I have ceased providing money to charities as of today as I don't want to be an "enabler". Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I have ceased providing money to charities as of today as I don't want to be an "enabler".You are the real saint. Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 You are the real saint.thanks bobbob... really, the people that haven't been giving of their time and money previously are the real heroes. I'm just taking what I learn on this message forum and putting it to good work. I am going to use the money that I save to post even more stuff on the internet!! That's what will really make a difference. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Upgrade your modem, save the world. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I have ceased providing money to charities as of today as I don't want to be an "enabler". Yep, that Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Nobody is really sure what you are saying. Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Can we try to keep this a legitimate discussion, not get too personal, and not take everyone's arguments to the illogical extreme, please? How about trying to find some middle ground on some of these issues? Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 If the teaching of abstinence is such a crime in your eyes as it perpetuates poverty, all humanitarian aid of any sort short of a widespread project to establish an effective agricultural system should be viewed with similar disdain, since all they do, in the end is perpetuate poverty. You are going to criticize her good deeds for their outcomes, but when it comes to the third world, it has become increasingly difficult to do good without some sort of negative effect at the end. Does this mean nobody should try? You have become the king of putting words in my mouth that were never there to begin with. That's not really a response, to what I think is a legitimate point. If she's to be criticized for her work with charity because she, in your eyes, did nothing but perpetuate poverty, how does that differ from pretty much every other sort of humanitarian aid which, in the end, perpetuates poverty? Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 How about trying to find some middle ground on some of these issues? I may not have the means to teach a nation birth control. However, I can provide funds to organizations that do as well as organizations that can help those in need. Regardless of motive, helping people is a good thing. Mother Theresa was an exemplary person and not one that should be looked at with disdain and "disgust" regardless of your religious or other views. Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Most of these ills are also directly attributable to overpopulation. And how do we control overpopulation? That Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Cannot read, work in fields Link to post Share on other sites
stooka Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Can we try to keep this a legitimate discussion, not get too personal, and not take everyone's arguments to the illogical extreme, please? How about trying to find some middle ground on some of these issues? Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 You mean you haven't tripped over world literacy rates in all your studies? No asshole. Grains, goats, bananas, plantains, poppys -- CASH CROPS -- attempting to feed themselves and providing $ in order to pay for their Internet service so they can learn from your posts. Today Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Regardless of motive, helping people is a good thing. while i completely agree, this (IMO) is the root of the debate at hand in this thread. it's also the thing that frustrates me in these seemingly never ending debates on the merits/evils of faith/religion. i've said it before, nobody...NOBODY...has an official pie chart of any sort that shows the exact split of people affected postively or negatively from religious efforts. even less quantifiable is how the concept of faith has helped people through less tangible struggles in their lives. we've established that both good/bad have been done in god's name...but is my faith is personal...until it's challenged/categorized unfairly and i'm lumped into a stereotyped group because of it. which, seems to be what is happening here on at least a monthly basis. as someone who does believe God exists, i've never told anybody what they should or shouldn't believe when it comes to their own beliefs/non-beliefs...it doesn't seem to be the case for, at least a certain handful of, folks who don't. Link to post Share on other sites
austrya Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 My Catholic toes get sick of being stepped on. I'm fine with people having whatever beliefs they have. I just get sick of all of the world's problems being blamed on the Catholic church. Poverty was a problem BEFORE birth control was invented. It will always be a problem regardless of the Catholic church's stance on birth control. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 My Catholic toes get sick of being stepped on. I'm fine with people having whatever beliefs they have. I just get sick of all of the world's problems being blamed on the Catholic church. Poverty was a problem BEFORE birth control was invented. It will always be a problem regardless of the Catholic church's stance on birth control. To be fair - a lot worse than toe stepping has been perpetrated by the Catholic Church Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 To be fair - a lot worse than toe stepping has been perpetrated by the Catholic Church Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 they weren Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 kinda like you I know, I'm a monster - I say the most vile things. But not by catholics. This is an important distinction to make. True, but can you point out where I Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 With that said, it could be argued that members of the church share a small amount of responsibility for the behavior of the church as a whole.Not very strongly or convincingly, but have at it... Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Not being a Catholic, I don't really know what goes on there, but it has always seemed to me to be a strongly hierarchical organization. I suppose irked parishioners could vote with their feet, as some people I know have done. Link to post Share on other sites
austrya Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 A lot do leave the church and that's completely ok with me. If being Catholic isn't for you then more power to you. Just don't try to bring the rest of us down who are quite happy being where we are... (Not directed at you, Dan) Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 A lot do leave the church and that's completely ok with me. If being Catholic isn't for you then more power to you. Just don't try to bring the rest of us down who are quite happy being where we are... (Not directed at you, Dan)It's OK. Both my mom and my dad's families are all Catholic up until my dad's mom switching to Episcopalian (Catholic Lite). My mom I don't think goes to Mass, but she is really into St. Kateri Tekawitha, as my mom is half-Mohawk. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Thou shall not utter the word "asshole" on an internet message board Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 True, but can you point out where I Link to post Share on other sites
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