Good Old Neon Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 ooh, golly, my family is all fine and dandy! yay! fine and dandy. wow. nice. i'm going to frame this post and hang it up on my wall. Are you sure you're not a virgin? Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 i believe that an unborn child is a person. i don't think a person should be aborted merely because it is unwanted. there's lots of people i would prefer to not have around (aforementioned rapists, etc), but society has decided that i do not have the right to exercise my individual choice to abort them. do you not see, that society imposes all kinds of restrictions on our individual choices? Aside from being human by definition, can you explain, in your view, how a fetus has achieved personhood? Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I'm growing sleepy of the abortion issue. It shouldn't be brought up to win an election, and pro-life peole should let woman make choices about their body, not religion. Same with Gay-rights. 60% of women who have abortions have children already. I think There is a false belief that they are mainly teens, minorities, uneducated, using it for birth control, drug users, criminals..etc. This is the case for some, but mainly it's white woman with families and an education. Woman from all walks of life have made the decision for themselves. I assume many pro-lifers, well anybody really, probably has no idea how many wonderful people that they know have actually had an abortion. You can make the decision to have a baby, adopt it out, give it up to state, or abort. To live in a country without such choices, not so pretty. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Aside from being human by definition, can you explain, in your view, how a fetus has achieved personhood? here. we. go. again. wow. just post a christopher hitchens article and get it over with. Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Aside from being human by definition, can you explain, in your view, how a fetus has achieved personhood?i think "human by definition" pretty much sums it up. i don't know that i could put it any better than that. Link to post Share on other sites
austrya Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I agree with El, I think we all know where we all stand on the abortion issue and we also know that we're not changing any minds here. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 here. we. go. again. wow. just post a christopher hitchens article and get it over with. Here we go again, where you post another one of these posts in response to something I post, and then try to make it sound as though all of my posts contain a quote from someone or other - when, in fact, the vast majority of my posts do not. The reasonable response, if you'd rather not engage in this line of conversation again, would be to ignore it. Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I agree with El, I think we all know where we all stand on the abortion issue and we also know that we're not changing any minds here. Which has livened the base. Thanks Roverians. Personality not issues. Aholes Link to post Share on other sites
austrya Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Which has livened the base. Thanks Roverians. Personality not issues. Aholes what? Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Which has livened the base. Thanks Roverians. Personality not issues. Aholesi consider abortion to be an issue. Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 i believe that an unborn child is a person. i don't think a person should be aborted merely because it is unwanted. there's lots of people i would prefer to not have around (aforementioned rapists, etc), but society has decided that i do not have the right to exercise my individual choice to abort them. do you not see, that society imposes all kinds of restrictions on our individual choices? Are you standing up against the death penalty? Lots of innocent people there are wrongly killed. How about war, anyone innocent killed in war? How about the people who die in this country because of poor healthcare, or lack of healthcare? How about children killed in child abuse. Mothers killed by husbands?Kids who die from vaccinations. Kids that die in violence at school? Maybe you do speak out on htese issues, but many pro-life advocates could care less about those over the baby age. I'm not assuming you don't care, just making a point against only a baby's life mattering, not an innocent man being put to death because he didn't have the best lawyer. I agree with you on society imposing way too many restrictions on individual choices, so why make another one? I respect your family, and your pro-life stance, we just don't agree on abortion. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 300,000 N.J. Voters Told They Aren't RegisteredTRENTON, N.J. (AP) ― Letters have gone out to 300,000 voters in New Jersey saying they're not registered to vote. But in many cases, they are. State officials blame a fact-checking system that compares motor vehicle records with state voter rolls. The system flags voters when information, such as their birthday, doesn't match. Letters were mailed to voters Atlantic, Bergen, Burlington, Camden, Cape May, Cumberland and Essex counties. Between 850,000 and 870,000 letters will be mailed in all. State officials say those who receive letters should confirm their voter status with municipal clerks and the county election board. The majority of Bergen County residents who called turned out to be registered. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 i think "human by definition" pretty much sums it up. i don't know that i could put it any better than that. I Link to post Share on other sites
austrya Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I consider it to be an issue too. An issue we've talked about and talked about and argued about and called names about and talked about and debated about over and over and over and over and over. How about we talk about some of the other issues? Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I agree with El, I think we all know where we all stand on the abortion issue and we also know that we're not changing any minds here.i'm not really out to change any minds. i just want to defend my position against some of the misrepresentations that are common here. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 How about we talk about some of the other issues?ok. obama's ideas are marxist. discuss. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 The reasonable response, if you'd rather not engage in this line of conversation again, would be to ignore it. ...or you could talk about the actual election versus debating when a fetus has achieved personhood. whatever. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 ...or you could talk about the actual election versus debating when a fetus has achieved personhood. whatever. or both? Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Here we go again, where you post another one of these posts in response to something I post, and then try to make it sound as though all of my posts contain a quote from someone or other - when, in fact, the vast majority of my posts do not. The reasonable response, if you'd rather not engage in this line of conversation again, would be to ignore it.I think he was just teasingly say it's about "agree to disagree" time before it's on to a 9th election thread. Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Here we go. I hope this election is at least one thing, fair with all votes counted. Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 They see their choice as the only acceptable choice, and if I believed aborting an in utero fetus was murder, I would agree. I don't, so I don't. If more people on the pro-choice side could recognize this, we could all get along much better. None of us on the pro-life side are going to be convinced by all the good reasons to have an abortion if we don't believe abortion is a viable (maybe a bad choice of words here) choice in the first place. It's not as simple as a woman making a choice about her own body, and everyone here knows that. Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 It's not as simple as a woman making a choice about her own body, and everyone here knows that.i would agree, but that seems to be the only defense that is ever offered. Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Kids who die from vaccinations. Huh? What about the kids who used to die from diseases now prevented by vaccines? I Link to post Share on other sites
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