Party @ the Moontower Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Does anyone read on this board? The american people and it's government are not the same fucking thing. God damn. Who do you think elects our government, works in government, pays for the government...robots? Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Alright, it's not worth it. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 From my experience working the counter at a liquor store on 9/11/01, it seemed just about everybody in the country got drunk on Bud that night. Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Dead toll from 911 as of today, from the government who was susposed to protect us, and susposedly does now... 2,974 dead from 911 4,076 Americans dead because we sent them to invade Iraq for a crime Iraq did not commit. Although, this # does not count those that kill themself, or die after they get home.1,255,026 Iraqis dead for oil, power, money, etc....or 911, something they had no part in? 2,974 dead from an attack by a foreign power (don't start with semantics I'm referring to the terrorists) 4,081 dead from a tragic natural disaster and poor civil engineering Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Who got their shit together? Tell that line to the dead people of Katrina, which now can now listed @ 4,081 DEAD people. The ones that made it, some are still waiting for help. Based on new death information, we can add the previous toll of 1,723 to the new post-Katrina figure of 2,358 to posit a new unofficial death toll of 4,081. Possible causes of the excess deaths in 2006 include stress, suicide, pollution, contamination, impoverishment and the devastation of the heath sector after Katrina. For instance, the suicide rate tripled in the first 10 months after Katrina. I'm thinking you are probably high again. you do understand we were talking about the reaction of the american people to a foreign attack on american soil and, as i stated earlier, NOT the bush administration's horrible reaction to a natural disaster. quite a leap, but humoring you even in the context of katrina...would you say the area would be better or worse for the volunteer work done by non-governmental groups/individuals in aide ot the area? maybe i'm missing something...the 'US' in the phrase 'the US having their shit together' is only applicable to our elected officials/governmental agencies. if that's the case, then i'm having a different conversation. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 All I was arguing is that the American people have a tendency of focusing when they need to. Unfortunately, in the aftermath of 9/11, the government shifted our focus to things that weren't so good. That's the problem. Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Huh?Money vs. feeling Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 The official new flag for the Stupid United States of America If they elect Palin/McCain than I will personally put this flag outside of my home with their names @ the bottom. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 first responders and greater national volunteerism/support to NYC in the immediate wake of the actual tragedy?! i'll give you that we didn't build upon that as a country and that our administration ended using the event to create further divide rather than unify, but wow. that's not a nation with it's shit together? He said after 9/11, not on 9/11. The first responders did a great job, but that's not we were talking about. Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 2,974 dead from an attack by a foreign power (don't start with semantics I'm referring to the terrorists) 4,081 dead from a tragic natural disaster and poor civil engineeringyou left out gov't response Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Sure, but that sense of shit-togetherness started to dissolve while the Trade Center Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I'm this close to using the "all caps, overuse of the word 'fuck'" thing and risking a 24 hour suspension. Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Only a Sith deals in absolutes. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 All I was arguing is that the American ROBOTS have a tendency of focusing when they need to. Unfortunately, in the aftermath of 9/11, the government shifted our focus to things that weren't so good. That's the problem. the real people or robot people? this thread has become... Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 All I was arguing is that the American people have a tendency of focusing when they need to. Unfortunately, in the aftermath of 9/11, the government shifted our focus to things that weren't so good. That's the problem. But the people have a role to play in government, and that is to hold our official to account for those things that weren't so good and to demand better. As a nation, we haven't done that. The American people are not responsible for our government torturing prisoners, for example, but we are responsible for not demanding that those responsible are held responsible. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 But the people have a role to play in government, and that is to hold our official to account for those things that weren't so good. That doesn't have anything to do with the initial point, which is that when they need to, the American people are pretty good at getting it together. Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 you do understand we were talking about the reaction of the american people to a foreign attack on american soil and, as i stated earlier, NOT the bush administration's horrible reaction to a natural disaster. quite a leap, but humoring you even in the context of katrina...would you say the area would be better or worse for the volunteer work done by non-governmental groups/individuals in aide ot the area? maybe i'm missing something...the 'US' in the phrase 'the US having their shit together' is only applicable to our elected officials/governmental agencies. if that's the case, then i'm having a different conversation. I think we are saying the people tend to follow the gov't's lead in times like these. The gov't didn't do a very good job in either situation. By the time Katrina happened and the area was given the ok by FEMA (Ol' Dick), the volunteers did an exceptional job, as they always do in America, w/ the exception of the Red Cross money theft scandal. You would be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks most American citizens aren't willing to help in a crisis. Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 you do understand we were talking about the reaction of the american people to a foreign attack on american soil and, as i stated earlier, NOT the bush administration's horrible reaction to a natural disaster. quite a leap, but humoring you even in the context of katrina...would you say the area would be better or worse for the volunteer work done by non-governmental groups/individuals in aide ot the area? maybe i'm missing something...the 'US' in the phrase 'the US having their shit together' is only applicable to our elected officials/governmental agencies. if that's the case, then i'm having a different conversation. After reading this thread today and some feeling that the people and government will step up to future war(s), I have to disagree. Even after 911, Katrina went down, and continues to go down. 911 is not Katrina, but both represent the kind of shit that happens during war, people losing homes, family, lives..etc. Where is the government? People still need help. I do not believe if a war ever came to my doorstep I will be protected by the people, or the government period. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I still maintain that Katrina was a failure by government at all levels and by both parties. Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 But the people have a role to play in government, and that is to hold our official to account for those things that weren't so good and to demand better. As a nation, we haven't done that. The American people are not responsible for our government torturing prisoners, for example, but we are responsible for not demanding that those responsible are held responsible. Yeah, but some idgits don't think we should. That's why they're idgits. I wonder how bad things have to be before peeps at least understand some things, read, absorb some internet news, etc. At least attempt to know what is going on. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Yeah, but some idgits don't think we should. That's why they're idgits. I wonder how bad things have to be before peeps at least understand some things, read, absorb some internet news, etc. At least attempt to know what is going on. Who the fuck is saying this? Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 He said after 9/11, not on 9/11. The first responders did a great job, but that's not we were talking about. read his clarification, that's exactly what he was talking about...are you still saying that local law enforcement/emergency and volunteers didn't rally when the clock struck midnight on 9/11? i'll just say that horrible incidents like 9/11 and katrina have been just as dilluted by scorn over the bush administration as they have by governmentally sanctioned blind patriotism. ugh, whatever...i have no idea what or why i'm arguing anymore. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Who the fuck is saying this?"some" people Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 But the people have a role to play in government, and that is to hold our official to account for those things that weren't so good and to demand better. As a nation, we haven't done that. The American people are not responsible for our government torturing prisoners, for example, but we are responsible for not demanding that those responsible are held responsible. Link to post Share on other sites
fatheadfred Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I still maintain that Katrina was a failure by government at all levels and by both parties. Whose people have been supplanted throughout the Gov't? Yep, Gdub's conservative compassionists Link to post Share on other sites
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