Mrs. Peel Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 joe the plumber is probably going to have one of the biggest cases of post-election letdown in the country. his peak and fall are pretty short and steep. Don't worry about Joe, he's got his singing career to fall back on. Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 My point is, you are saying that Obama's ties (such as they are) to Ayers are irrelevant, and I have already said they are irrelevant. I don't have any problem with you. You do seem to take it pretty personally when people disagree with you, though. oh come on. i initially said (to someone else) that ayers was irrelevant, and out of the blue you asked if i was serious. about taking it personally: not at all. i do get annoyed when someone seems to be giving me a hard time for no reason, but disagree on the issues all you want. i get many laughs every day reading these boards; if i didn't, i wouldn't be here. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Anyone watching this thing? I just put it on halfway through. Seems better conceived than Ross Perot's version, though less substantial. Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 'look that girl's a ballerina' Link to post Share on other sites
austrya Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 What was the deal with people fainting at the Obama rally today? I think they just wanted his water. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 "Vote now and get another four years FREE!" Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Anyone watching this thing? I just put it on halfway through. Seems better conceived than Ross Perot's version, though less substantial. Pretty predictable, nothing really new. Did I miss an earlier announcement that he's now talking about tax cuts for anyone making less than $200K? That was the one thing that seemed different from what he's been saying recently. Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Pretty predictable, nothing really new. Did I miss an earlier announcement that he's now talking about tax cuts for anyone making less than $200K? That was the one thing that seemed different from what he's been saying recently. I thought he was saying this all along. I really really want this to happen. it has to happen. Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Wasn't it $250K before? Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Yes, and if what I heard is correct that's for a married couple. single filers have a different threshold. Link to post Share on other sites
austrya Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I thought it was single making $200K and married was $250K. Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 hmm.... Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Ah, I think you're right. Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 anyways, my husband and I make less than both, so we're covered. Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I thought it was single making $200K and married was $250K. right, and I had heard that changed, though I didn't hear that myself. Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 According to his website:Under the Obama Plan: * Middle class families will see their taxes cut Link to post Share on other sites
Wendy Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/200...28/1600845.aspx Per the Tax Policy Center, here is how Obama's tax plan breaks down for individuals:$0-$18,891 = $567 tax cut$18,982-$37,595 = $892 tax cut$37,596-$66,354 = $1,118 tax cut$66,355-$111,645 = $1,264 tax cut$111,646-$160,972 = $2,135 tax cut$160,973-$226,918 = $2,796 tax cut$226,919-$603,402 = $121 tax increase$603,403-$2.87 million = $93,709 tax increase$2.87 million-plus = $542,882 tax increase Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 mccain is running for president. ayers isn't. but you see how mccain gets to certain people by encouraging them to draw false parallels, as your post did. oh come on. i initially said (to someone else) that ayers was irrelevant, and out of the blue you asked if i was serious.The "Are you serious?" comment was in response to your assertion that the Obama connection to Ayers and McCain's military record constitutes a false parallel because "McCain is running for president [and] Ayers isn't." Both situations have to do with choices made by a current presidential candidate. Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 What was the deal with people fainting at the Obama rally today? I think they just wanted his water.Is that a Pervy Euphemism? I think they call it "gentlemen's relish" btw. Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Anyone else enjoying watching the race in Arizona get close? Heh. 2 points. I missed the TV thing. Hopefully the TV exposure helped the undecideds realize there is an election this year. Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I thought it was single making $200K and married was $250K.biden says it's 150K. Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 That comment seemed like a slip of the tongue to me. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 biden says it's 150K.In context, it seems that Biden was using 150K as example, not as a cut-off. Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 More on the Joe The Foreign Policy Expert interview with Fox News: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/f...d_n_138674.html So, Joe The Plumber was out on the trail with John McCain today, apparently giving the thumbs up to someone in the crowd who felt that an Obama Presidency would bring about the end of Israel. From Raw Story: The Ohio plumber, who has no license and is actually named Samuel Wurzelbacher, spoke at a McCain campaign event in Columbus Monday. A McCain supporter asked if "a vote for Obama is a vote for the death of Israel." JTP hardly batted an eye. "I'll go ahead and agree with you on that," Wurzelbacher said. It's all a part of Joe the Plumber's "Maybe I'm A Foreign Policy Expert, But Anyway, You Should Go Out And Get Your Own Opinions On Things Instead Of Listening To Mine, Even Though I'm Going To Keep Opining If You Give Me Half A Chance, And Anyway, I Don't Even Really Know What John McCain's Position Is On Anything Anyway, And Probably I Should Be Snaking A Sink Trap Or Something, Instead Of Dragging Myself All Over The Country Making Statements Which I Then Sort Of Disavow A Few Minutes Later Anyway, Who Knows?" Tour of 2008! Honestly, it's like the 24 Hour News has finally reached the 25th Hour or something. Anyway, five minutes with Joe The Plumber had Shepard Smith so frustrated that the Fox anchor felt compelled to issue a disclaimer, immediately following the segment, pushing back on any notion that Obama would mean the "death of Israel," saying: "I just want to make this 100 percent perfectly clear -- Barack Obama has said repeatedly and demonstrated repeatedly that Israel will always be a friend of the United States, no matter what happens once he becomes President of the United States. His words." Smith later added, "The rest of it -- man...some things -- it just gets frightening sometimes. We'll be right back." I haven't seen Shep this broken up about the state of the world since Katrina. Meanwhile, let's remember that after a year of trying to figure out what their campaign is about, the McCain camp has basically pinned all their hopes to the avatar of Joe The Plumber, a random dude who says, "I know just enough about foreign policy to probably be dangerous...I have no idea where John McCain's position is...I honestly want people to go out and find their own reasons. I tell people not to listen to everyone else's opinion. I'm not going to have them start listening to mine." His words. Such as they are. Hiliarious. Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Anyone going to see Obama thursday night in Columbia? We are meeting here before Obama for some brew. I'm thinking Obama wants to share an ale and talk before he speaks. Link to post Share on other sites
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