DAngerer09 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 Pat's a great musician, but I miss O'Rourke's presence and influence. Just wondering what everyone else thinks. Take your pick. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RainDogToo Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 I love Pat, but miss Jim as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 I guess I didn't think Jim was ever considered an official member... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAngerer09 Posted May 24, 2009 Author Share Posted May 24, 2009 check the liner notes on Ghost... he plays all over that thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 In that case, O'Rourke. I like Sansone's stage presence, and he's a great musician, but O'Rourke really helped shape their sound. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggie Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 pat all the way Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blue and Green Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 I vote for Pat. Jim is a great musician but I don't like his attitude or the way he comes across. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Jim O'Rouke ruins records Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_fliz1 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Pat definitely. He reminds me Keith Richards when he is onstage, but in a good way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Jim was never in the band. He played on Ghost and it was awesome, but he was never a regular part of the band. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAngerer09 Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 he may have never been an "official member," but he was in the band... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SeattleC Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Pat for sure. I like the guy's stage ambiance (with the moonlight 8/21/07): Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 he may have never been an "official member," but he was in the band... he's been credited as a member Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J_Lefty Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Does anyone know what JO is up to these days? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 living in Japan, and contrary to popular belief, he's still playing music. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Is it appropriate to view Pat as a 'replacement' for Jim? Leroy and Jim were both involved in AGIB. Leroy was more the multi-instrumentalist and Jim the guitarist (sorta...bear with me, it fits my argument and this IS the internet).; therefore, I view Pat as the replacement for Leroy and Nels the replacement for Jim. Thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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mpolak21 Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Jim O'Rourke's contributions to the band both as an instrumentalist and a producer and his solo work particularly Bad Timing, Eureka and Insignificance make me swoon the same way Sunshine swoons over Pat. However, I think Pat is the answer to this question, because ultimately you want someone in your band who first and foremost wants to be in your band, and Pat Sansone clearly wants to be in Wilco. I think if Jim O'Rourke wanted to be in Wilco right now, he'd be in Wilco. He could have replaced Jay in 2001 or he could have replaced Leroy in 2004. After Jay's dismissal, I don't think it's a stretch to speculate the possibility of bringing Jim, who could have replaced Bennett on guitar/keyboards and helped with the songwriting, probably crossed Tweedy's mind at some point and I don't think O'Rourke was touring with Sonic Youth then either. If I could change one thing in Wilco's history, aside of course from putting myself in the band, O'Rourke in full-time for Bennett might be it. But I think the working situation was probably more comfortable on both sides with O'Rourke coming in as an outsider or as the "fifth Beatle." Sansone, on the other hand, has always seemed to love being in the band. He's always enthusiastic and energetic in every live performance, he plays his keyboards with maracas, and windmills in concert, and a lot of the great subtle instrumental flourishes on Sky Blue Sky are credited to him. It's hard to compare his impact with O'Rourke's because there isn't a Sansone produced Wilco album or a side project in which Jeff and Pat co-wrote a bunch of songs together. But if I had to pick one, I'd go with the guy who wants to be there, and right now that's Pat. --Mike 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dondoboy Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 I never really saw Nels as a replacement for Jim. That's an interesting take. I guess I saw Jim as a consultant. Like a not-so-fatherly George Martin. A facilitator of ideas. Pat's a rock star. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
perfectecho Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 I voted Jim, not because of any dislike for Pat, because he's an amazing musician on that stage and a wonderful foil against Nels when the band goes for the three guitar sound, but mostly because Jim and Jeff started something interesting in Loose Fur, improved that direction even further on AGIB, and then the group changed again and part of me feels that the sound they were developing up to that point was abandoned in favor of a different, more organic sound for the two recent records. (And i'm not saying that in a bad way either, i've heard a lot of people outside of here look down on SBS and I don't understand it, because that might be the most focused record Wilco as a whole has ever made, as for (the album) for me the jury is still out, I think from the pre-press on the album we were expecting something closer to YHF era studio experimentation, and it's just not that, it's a folkier, 70s rock continuation of the last one more to my ears... I just wish there was one or two more rocking songs, especially on the second side... but that's me) Ideally, what i'd love to hear is the current 6-piece group do an album produced by Jim, especially in the Brian Eno fashion of being with the group through songwriting, getting involved in the sounds and shaping the songs, lots of dictating and experiments (like the AGIB recording techniques used to change things up). Couple that idea with how ferocious the lineup of Wilco is live and damn, it could rival everything the band has done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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