Atticus Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 So my daughter is in a rock and roll history class in high school forget the list for a minute, I just applaud the opening statement... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moss Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 I think it's pretty clear that the teacher was dealing with the "psychedelic era", which mostly took place in the mid/late '60s. Sticking with the '60s, for now, will allow the teacher (if he's worth his salt) to show how that music influenced later musical styles once he gets to that era later in the semester. This is a history class and history classes are usually chronological. Arguing that the teacher should be discussing the Stone Roses alongside Pink Floyd is no different than saying the teacher should talk about the Stray Cats alongside Carl Perkins. From what I can see of the homework, they are actually connecting the thread to today. The examples that I can see on her homework for modern day psychedelic are "Dandy Warhols" and "Brian Jonestown Massacre" among others. I would at least agree with BJM but Pop Todd has a good list. I'm pretty impressed with any high school class that is going to bring up BJM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PopTodd Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 From what I can see of the homework, they are actually connecting the thread to today. The examples that I can see on her homework for modern day psychedelic are "Dandy Warhols" and "Brian Jonestown Massacre" among others. I would at least agree with BJM but Pop Todd has a good list. I'm pretty impressed with any high school class that is going to bring up BJM. BJM are a good example. Of course I will forget essential ones. But I think of the Dandys as more of a pop band than psych. Their only connection to psych is their well-documented fued with the BJM. (But that is a lot of fun to read about.) Another modern psych band, as long as we're back on the subject:Cornelius They even have the visuals in their live show to match.And, would you includeNeutral Milk Hotel?At first blush, they didn't occur to me. But the dreamlike imagery in their lyrics; the adventurous arrangements imply to me that they do fit that definition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Please understand that my list of the bands from "my" era (Flaming Lips, et. al.) was not meant to place any of those bands in the same category of the "essential" albums that inspired/began this thread. Although, for academic purposes, it would make a good topic for discussion, to trace the influence and progression from A to B. But that would be the only context in which such discussion would be pertinent, methinks. Yeah, I know what you mean. My post wasn't meant as a criticism, more like just thinking aloud. I think tracing the influences should play a pretty major role in a music history class, both to show how musical elements from one era tend to reappear or evolve, and to try to trace the developement of new genres or styles. Sounds like the teacher is not taking a strict chronological approach, which is different and probably more interesting than any history class I've ever taken. I'm curious if this class has an "essentials" list for each era or style of music that is studied. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Though like all great rock critics DeRogatis can be a bit insufferable, he's at his best in this book. Throughout he basically weaves almost the entire history of rock under the umbrella of psych, and considers stuff like the first two Velvets albums, Eno, Bowie, XTC, The Talking Heads, and almost all of the bands PopTodd mentioned, and even Yankee Hotel Foxtrot era Wilco into his canon. I love that the teacher included The Misunderstood on his essential list of that era, he or she either really likes that band or is familiar with the rock hipster technique always make sure you have at least one obscure release on your list of essentials even if you haven't actually heard it to appear more cool. It's always worked for me, I don't even really know who Wilco is. --Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PopTodd Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Though like all great rock critics DeRogatis can be a bit insufferable, he's at his best in this book. Throughout he basically weaves almost the entire history of rock under the umbrella of psych, and considers stuff like the first two Velvets albums, Eno, Bowie, XTC... Which XTC? Because they went through a lot of permutations, including their (self-consciously) psychedelic alter-ego The Dukes of Stratosphear. But any of several of their albums can be lumped into the psych cannon -- Skylarking and Oranges and Lemons, in particular. Just curious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Which XTC? Because they went through a lot of permutations, including their (self-consciously) psychedelic alter-ego The Dukes of Stratosphear. But any of several of their albums can be lumped into the psych cannon -- Skylarking and Oranges and Lemons, in particular. Just curious. He covers the entire career up until Oranges and Lemons and also goes into the Dukes side project, he wasn't a big fan of their later works (I think he needs to listen to Apple Venus Volume One harder, but that's just me). They're in his British post-punk psych section along with The Soft Boys and Teardrop Explodes. --Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NightOfJoy Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 forget the list for a minute, I just applaud the opening statement... I took a History of Pop Music senior year in high school. For some reason the credits for that class were discounted by the colleges I applied to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cgoodwin22 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 HELLO????? How about The Zombies - Odessey And Oracle. One of the best albums/psychedelic albums of all time. Came out in 1967. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
people are leaving Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I've been playing this soon-to-be psych classic all year. GREAT record. The review doesn't even mention one of the songs of the year in Don't Worry Marie. El Goodo - Coyote El Goodo combines the mellow and melodious psychedelic sounds of the Beach Boys, The Byrds and Love with beautiful and lush arrangements that call upon the mystical countryside from whence they came. The result is the creation of a mysterious, sweepingly grand, and at times whimsical approach to their already eclectic soundscape. Their intoxicating sophomore release, is both sprawling and hauntingly deserted, evoking a sonic landscape richly cultivated with intense harmonies and darkly articulated instrumentation. “Aren’t You Grand”, “I Saw Her Today”, “Talking to the Birds”, and “Oh, to Sleep” feel cinematic, like a dark western cowboy soundtrack, juxtaposing surfy and at times summery melodies to create an ominous scoure. “Feel So Fine”, “Be My Girl”, and “I Can’t Make It” continue in El Goodo’s knack for beautiful harmonies, but opt for psych-breakouts and breakdowns. Coyote was produced by the band in a deserted theater and is a beautiful piece of darkly rich psych-pop perfection, brought to you by the new breed of Welsh pop wizards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lostpassword Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 You gotta go with Piper. That's the one that set THE standard. And it's not just the sugary bullshit psych, but the contrasting dark stuff. My "updated" list would look something like this, based on what I would tell someone if they said "what music should I listen to while on psychedelic mushrooms or LSD?" 1. Piper at the Gates of Dawn - Pink Floyd2. Meddle - Pink Floyd3. Dead Cities, Red Seas and Lost Ghosts - M834. Are You Experienced - Jimi Hendrix5. Bitches Brew - Miles Davis6. In the Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson7. Days of Future Passed - The Moody Blues8. The Soft Bulletin - The Flaming Lips9. Aoxomoxoa - The Grateful Dead10. Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd11. Ummagumma Disc 1 - Pink Floyd12. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly - Ennio Morricone13. The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld - The Orb14. Boces - Mercury Rev15. The Closing of Winterland - The Grateful Dead Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lostpassword Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Though like all great rock critics DeRogatis can be a bit insufferable, he's at his best in this book. Throughout he basically weaves almost the entire history of rock under the umbrella of psych, and considers stuff like the first two Velvets albums, Eno, Bowie, XTC, The Talking Heads, and almost all of the bands PopTodd mentioned, and even Yankee Hotel Foxtrot era Wilco into his canon. That's becasue all art rock, alternative rock etc was spawned by psych rock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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W(TF) Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Sounds like I have to check out El Goodo. If acid was the mother of all fusion, then in my opinion these would also qualify for the list. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GtrPlyr Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 HELLO????? How about The Zombies - Odessey And Oracle. One of the best albums/psychedelic albums of all time. Came out in 1967. I think of that one more as a Baroque Pop record than a psych record. If we we're counting it as a psychedelic record than we'd have to include stuff like The Millennium's "Begin" to the list as well. Both of those I'd classify as great Baroque Pop records with slight hints of pyschedelia, but not enough to belong in the category. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theashtraysays Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Labels are for canned food Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Pretty Things: "S.F. Sorrow" deserves mention. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PopTodd Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Also ESSENTIAL: Damn, I love The Move. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I believe that Jefferson Airplane album is an anthology. I would have went with After Bathing at Baxter's. I would have loved to have had a class like that. Baxters is certainly the most pschycadelic, but Surrealistic Pillow is the classic. Pick any Airplane actually. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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jff Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I love Nazz. What album is that? I have all their stuff, I think, but none of the album covers look like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I love Nazz. What album is that? I have all their stuff, I think, but none of the album covers look like that.Self-titled debut (1968). Truthfully, I've only heard it a few times, but it left an impression. "Open My Eyes" is really something. Their second could also be on this list: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Self-titled debut (1968). Truthfully, I've only heard it a few times, but it left an impression. "Open My Eyes" is really something. Their second could also be on this list: This one has some pretty psychedelic stuff, particularly "Nazz Commercials": Nazz From Philadelphia Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 In the realm of Zappa & Beefheart is Hampton Grease Band "Music to Eat". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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