ditty Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 prolly just took himself out of the running for VP.Great, our governor, Pence, might be one step closer to Trump's VP. I thought Democrats had a good chance of beating him with all his nonsense the last two years, but this would allow another Republican to step in. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Just remember the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a robot bomb. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 The VP stakes are heating up. So who you got on the Dem side? Who is willing kill their political career to associate themselves with Trump? Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 Man if this Elizabeth Warren thing actually happened I might get legitimately excited. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Man if this Elizabeth Warren thing actually happened I might get legitimately excited.Doubt it, she is scheduled to speak on the first night of the convention. The VP usually is later. My money is on Tim Kaine of Virginia. Or Corey Booker. Link to post Share on other sites
ditty Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Who is willing kill their political career to associate themselves with Trump?After the local news bombarding us with the Pence hype speech, at Trumps rally last night, I don't see him as the VP candidate. The guy has no energy. Hopefully the Indiana Democrats will beat him this time. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 After the local news bombarding us with the Pence hype speech, at Trumps rally last night, I don't see him as the VP candidate. The guy has no energy. Hopefully the Indiana Democrats will beat him this time.Yeah, that guy makes it rough to be a Hoosier. I think it's a 3 way tie between Indy, KS and WI for crappy state governments. Speaking of which, is Trump talking to Walker? They're both crazy a holes, might be a good match. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Man if this Elizabeth Warren thing actually happened I might get legitimately excited. Another thing with Warren as VP, as cool as it sounds and the potential set up of Warren as president in 2024, I don't think it would be good. The VP (at least constitutionally) is one of the most ineffectual jobs in Washington. The VP breaks a tie in the senate and becomes the president if anything should happen to the current president. Sure she could be put on special tasks forces to do this and that, but really the job amounts to nothing. I would much rather her stay in the senate. If the senate flips, she will be able to do more there then in the VP slot. The VP is really is a job for a political insider, that can work the machine for the President. Look at the past VPs. Biden, Cheney, Gore, long time politicos. Also I don't think Warren helps Clinton geographically at all. Although she does help with progressives, but if you are a progressive and the only reason you'll vote for Clinton is because Warren is on the ticket, you are an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted July 13, 2016 Author Share Posted July 13, 2016 Although she does help with progressives, but if you are a progressive and the only reason you'll vote for Clinton is because Warren is on the ticket, you are an idiot. I know these idiots personally. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Some people will be mad at Bernie if he doesn't go to the Green party; and those folks don't understand politics either. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Some people will be mad at Bernie if he doesn't go to the Green party; and those folks don't understand politics either. LouieB Honestly I think Bernie accomplished what he set out to do. He increased his profile nationally. He (and Warren) are the the progressive leaders of this Country. He also moved Clinton and the Dem party closer to his positions. Also he gave Clinton a fight (and a darn good one). He showed that there is a place nationally for a candidate like himself. Maybe in 2020 or 2024 we will see another Bernie Sanders type run and win. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Absolutely. I am hoping we find a young Bernie that has the time and the fortitude to pound away at this until it gets somewhere. My problem with the Bernie or Bust crowd is that they look at it as an all or nothing right now, rather than take the long view, which is what a struggle like this demands. Party platforms are basically BS; the rubber meets the road in actual legislatures, both local, state, and federal. That's where leadership is needed. Pushing back against the forces of reaction is a long term goal, not an immediate win and Presidents rarely move policy more than inches at a time. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Which of Bernies positions does Hillary need to adopt to ensure she gets the young vote that he had? I feel like only endorsing her won't be enough. Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Which of Bernies positions does Hillary need to adopt to ensure she gets the young vote that he had? I feel like only endorsing her won't be enough.She already (mostly) adopted his plan/promise for providing State College education for free. Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 The two big ones I know are debt-free public college/university education for families under a certain income level & national minimum wage increase to $15/hr. They've added the "public option" for healthcare back to the platform, too. Not a Bernie idea but a step in that direction. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Hillary was never against any of those things,they differed on the slant of the ramp up to them. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 She was for $12/hr nationally and supported local efforts to raise it to 15 where the cost of living is high. I'm not sure how it's exactly worded in the platform, but a national $15/hr min wage would be a nod in Bernie's direction. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Nod indeed, but she was never "against" raising he minimum wage. As per usual, raising the minimum wage is a legislative duty, not something the President can unilaterally do. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Nod indeed, but she was never "against" raising he minimum wage. As per usual, raising the minimum wage is a legislative duty, not something the President can unilaterally do. LouieB I don't think anything the candidates put forth is something that the President can unilaterally do. Of course they could sign an executive order, but we all know that when you do that you are thumbing your nose at the constitution. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I don't think anything the candidates put forth is something that the President can unilaterally do. Of course they could sign an executive order, but we all know that when you do that you are thumbing your nose at the constitution. I think my point is more general and more boring. This entire campaign seems to have been predicated on the belief that either Bernie or Trump will get into office and suddenly transform the US of A into either a Socialist Utopia or a white people's paradise simply by either one of them getting elected. I really believe that is what is fueling the Bernie or bust crowd (that an thinking that Hillary is a world class criminal who simply should not be President.) and the support for Trump as well. What else would account for the fact that everyone is willing to die for Bernie, but the thought that everyone would suddenly get $15 per hour, universal heath insurance, and forgiveness of college debt. I don't believe any of this shit, nor did I ever believe that Obama could do all he promised either (close Guantanamo, etc, etc. which never did get done.) The government plods no regardless of who is president. We put way too much faith that a new person in office will transform things. The one and only reason to be scared of a Trump presidency and the best reason for electing Hillary is the fact that the Supreme Court could in fact hurt or help depending on who is in office. Other than that, most times I don't care. Starting bullshit wars is also a concern and having lived through George W Bush, I am not interested in seeing that again. But so far as Bernie being able to do what he says, that was a pipe dream from day one, but one I was willing to support until the shit got real. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 One more thing about Bernie that I don't think has been discussed enough. Having lived through the sectarian left conflicts of the 60s and 70s, I am not sure that when push came to shove people would support Bernie either. Bernie has deep roots in the radical politics of that era and while I don't have a problem with the fact that he is basically a communist, and maybe plenty of young people don't either since they were not alive during the cold war, if he had become the nominee, alot of that part of his life would be taken out and examined in some detail. Yea, the common refrain about Bernie is that he is a democratic socialist not a communist, but he sure as hell was pals with plenty of radicals and supported all sorts of groups that aspired to being Trotskyites, Maoists, and maybe some Stalinists. Look at the trouble Obama got in for simply being acquainted with Bill Ayers. Bernie was actually friends and associates with folks like that. While posters of Che can be quite chic, America has not ever been friendly to those going that far left. Jill Stein will pick up all those votes now, but most mainstream voters are pretty MOR when push comes to shove. edit- I read way too many comments on the internet and I am always astounded when people say Obama has tried to turn the US into a socialist state and that Hillary will continue to do the same. These folks (Barack and Hillary( are so middle off the road it is ridiculous, but masses of folks believe them to be communists. Wait until the media got a hold of Bernie's past ideas. It would have been very very ugly. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Well it looks like Mike Pence http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/donald-trump-vice-presidential-choice/index.html Generally a VP brings in things to the ticket that the Nominee does not. I guess the one thing that Pence did is cave to gay advocates and basically nullify Indiana's Religious Freedom law. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Well I think we all saw that coming. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Mountain Bed will be so happy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Well I think we all saw that coming. LouieB I thought it was going to be Newt. I heard Hannity go on and on about him yesterday. Which kinda makes sense now that this has come to light. http://www.salon.com/2016/07/14/report_sean_hannity_flew_newt_gingrich_on_private_jet_to_trump_vp_audition/ Link to post Share on other sites
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