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I agree 100%, although i believe it is the duty of all citizens to do more then vote. As for third parties, its time we have a new leftist party in this country. This election should have been a cake walk, instead its a war. Had the democrats actually picked up on any progressive issues maybe we wouldn't see this back and forth in the polls. I still don't understand why you believe are democracy can't handle more then 2 parties.

We have had third parties throughout our nations history, this is nothing new. What is new is the federal debate commission (a private corporation) which ultimately decides whose view points will be herd by the masses. Letter writing isn't going to change these candidates. They are opposite wings of the same party that have been bought out by corporate interests. I do agree though apathy doesn't fix anything, but then again neither does voting. Its to bad people think voting is the extent of democracy. I agreed thats why i have been working for ralph nader and plan on v

Both parties are very concerned with you not showing up. If only 50% comes out to vote that means they only really have to convince 10% tp 15% of the population they are the best candidate. Disenfranchising voters is a big business in this country.

Ron Paul ran as a republican thats the only reason he got air time. Do you believe the media does not spin the perception of these candidates. As long as they keep reporting that their "irrelevant" when they report about them, why would the american people care? Obama and McCain would both be done for if they had to enter a serious debate with Ralph Nader. I'd venture to say more americans agree with the third party positions then they do with the democrats or republicans. As for the McKinney ticket I agree, I think Clemente is a ridiculous choice. Hell they weren't even able

i'm not talking a write in vote, ralph nader in on 45 of 50 state ballots. He isn't a write in. The fact that he could qualify to be on these ballots (had to collect thousands of signatures in each state) should give him the right to appear in the debate. Jesse Ventura one the Minnesota governor position in its final weeks. It was a matter of getting him in the debates. Once people herd his argument against the other candidates they knew he was the man for the job. If there was larger media coverage maybe we'd have a different race. Ventura got part of that "i don't vote" group to come

They should have put the tell me that it isn't true from bonnaroo on there. Too bad there isn't more never ending tour stuff on there.

Gore didn't carry his home state. THe gap between bush and gore was some 500 votes in florida. EVERY third party candidate got at least 500 votes. Therefore you could blame all of the third party candidates, or more rightly so ones that weren't even running a real campaign like Nader. Do you hear gore blaming the green party? The problem is the system not other candidates. Also lets not forget ross perot helped clinton win the election, we don't hear people complain about third parties in that kind of scenario. And check this out: Nader helping Obama in the polls. the fact

FISA, he backed down. Is the logic that obama will lower income taxes for the lower and middle class, therefore he is a good candidate? ETA: Not to metion Joe Biden, what is there to like. and take a look at his record: Count Me Out

And carter sure did wonders for the military budget. And no i don't support nuclear power. If we were subsidizing renewable energy instead of oil maybe we wouldn't have this problem. So your argument is based soley on his choosing supreme court justices?

http://opendebates.org/ There are no good reasons.

Nader didn't disappear, he just didn't run for another public office. The green party is disorganized thats why nader left the party and he also happens to be a socialist. There is nothing in the constitution about this being a one party system. Are you aware that Lincoln was a third party candidate? The republican party was just getting things going back then. Its only a matter of citizens coming together. For example:

Louie I gave you a ton of reasons of why obama/biden is not a good pick and I even forgot to mention that obama support nuclear power.

This is what its all about opening the debates.

Nader didn't cost anyone any election. The thing is obama isn't anywhere near what I believe. Obama is not much different then McCain, he has not said or done anything that could lead me to believe otherwise. Nearly half of the population doesn't vote. In effect only some 15% of the country actually is voting this candidates in. Its not a better of jumping on board wtih the democrats but getting other people out there to vote. Obama voted to reauthorize the patriot act and backed down on FISA. He also wants to increase the military budget, openly threatened Pakistan in that op-

I can't believe people act like they're at the horse track when they vote. ETA: and joe biden....... not a chance.

I don't know if you talked about this in the last election thread but the other day Ron Paul held a press conference urging his supports to vote for third party candidates. Although he didn't endorse one candidate he brought together Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia Mckinney, Ralph Nader to agree on four major issues that they all felt aren't being adequately addressed. This is from Ralph Nader's website: The Republican/Democrat duopoly has, for far too long, ignored the most important issues facing our nation. However, alternate candidates Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney, and

might i ask who your thinking of writing in? Your in colorado right? I thought there were a large number of candidates that qualified to appear on the ballot.

Just got the filmore box set. I'm listening to disc two, dark start just started.

Wow really cool that you lived there, id love to hear more about it. So you do agree he has honorable motives. Who then is at fault here? To me it looks like the people of Santa Cruz who want all or nothing. The stability of trade with the united states isn't important, if you hadn't seen Evo was in Iran last week, there are other people to trade with. If the war is just is it not worth fighting? Unlike Sunken Mountain I don't think these things "work themselves out". In terms of resources to population, many latin american countries have no need for the poverty they live in. Th

I was just pointing to the reasoning for the initial abandonment of Cuba. As I've said before I can't argue standard of living today. I also don't know the reasoning for said refugees leaving. Many living in poverty would want to come to the united states seeing that we live the high life. The fact that we live this way though is wrong (when so many others suffer), so the fact that people gravitate to the united states has a better standard of living doesn't make that standard good. Therefore it isn't a good standard to judge what a good "standard of living" is.

I in no way mean any disrespect but wasn't your grandfathers livelihood at stake? He had a lot to loose from communism, where as the many of the poor (not to say your grandfather was or wasn't) weren't benifitng from the cuban economy (centered around tourism).

You are right on my opinion on Iran, both are wrong. I do believe Iran has every right to develop nuclear energy if we do. And you are so right. If there really is a "war on terror" and we are supposedly "vulnerable" we have no business making demands. And as I keep stating we have no business infringing on the sovereignty of other nations.

There is no way to prove what Castro would or would not do. I am well aware many Cubans are/were unhappy with the communist take over, I don't know what your grandfather was doing in Cuba (although i'd love to hear) but I know most cubans were not benefiting from cuba's economy pre-castro. Since their are no statistics available on the percentage of Cubans living below the poverty line or how their standing of living has improved or decreased in the past 60 years. If I remember correctly cuba's economy was doing alright until the collapse of the soviet union which they are still re

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