tblair Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 While IATTBYH offered some insight into the unraveling of their relationship, I don't think it's fair for any of us to use it as our basis for understanding what happened. It was probably just the tip of the iceberg. Watching their dialogue in the movie makes me nauseous and made me sort of happy to see him go. Oh, and Nels is better.I was watching the film again the other day, and it reminded me how much Jeff has changed. It was almost as if the moment Jeff and Jay split, was when Jeff started to look happier. I read a review of SBS the other day, that was almost complaining that because Jeff is happier, more content (and healthier), he's lost some kind of edge. I like how SBS is the sound of a content person. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kidsmoke Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I was watching the film again the other day, and it reminded me how much Jeff has changed. It was almost as if the moment Jeff and Jay split, was when Jeff started to look happier. I read a review of SBS the other day, that was almost complaining that because Jeff is happier, more content (and healthier), he's lost some kind of edge. I like how SBS is the sound of a content person. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyMike Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Haven't read the thread, just the title, but here goes: If you don't like Nels Cline in Wilco, you are free to go. Jay hasn't been in Wilco for almost 5 years, so to think that people would be over this by now would be more than reasonable, There is no law saying that if you liked a previous Wilco record, you have to like this one. Unfortunately, this one is here and now. So if this one isn't for you, move on to whatever band you're into now. No harm, no foul. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
froggie Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 > what's next a reinstate Max Johnston thread?! what about that Egan dude?... jeff even ditched jay to play a solo show with him in january 97 and check out the pedal steel on One by one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thisyearsgirl Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I was watching the film again the other day, and it reminded me how much Jeff has changed. It was almost as if the moment Jeff and Jay split, was when Jeff started to look happier. I read a review of SBS the other day, that was almost complaining that because Jeff is happier, more content (and healthier), he's lost some kind of edge. I like how SBS is the sound of a content person. word! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
entropy Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I think the only way to truly end these Nels vs. Jay debates is to have the two of them square off in a good ol' fashioned guitar duel knife fight." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Wouldn't be fair ... Nels has a considerable reach advantage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 ... So if this one isn't for you, move on to whatever band you're into now. No harm, no foul. Well, until Izzy, Slash and Axel Rose get their act together and release a face melting album again, I think I'll stay right here and bitch about Nels. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Wouldn't be fair ... Nels has a considerable reach advantage. althought Jay has considerable "padding" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Wilco's not a jazz band.Not yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Wilco's not a jazz band."We hope you enjoy our new direction." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 "We hope you enjoy our new direction." Hopefully they won't end up getting a second billing to Puppet Show. --Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 "We hope you enjoy our new direction." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pillowy star Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 The beatles never regressed. Of course not. They simply couldn't, technically spoken. They were crap to begin with. Yes, I like SBS, I think it is gorgeous, yet another new direction the band are heading towards. My favorite is Summerteeth, mostly because of the utmost dark lyrics - which I personally prefer to brighter ones, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the more mature, content lyrics of SBS are any worse - and not because of the production. I also like Jay Bennett's music a hell of a lot, one of my favorite songs ever is "Curiosity". To sum it up: I think that Jay Bennett is better off without Wilco, as he can go on doing his stuff - which he clearly wanted to impose upon Jeff who also clearly didn't want that anymore - and Jeff can go on doing his own stuff and is better off without Jay too. Everone's happy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Of course not. They simply couldn't, technically spoken. They were crap to begin with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Fuck you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Embarcadero_Skies Posted May 17, 2007 Author Share Posted May 17, 2007 Of course not. They simply couldn't, technically spoken. They were crap to begin with. Ouch. Lennon and Harrison just rolled over. If this was a Beatles forum, I'd put up a fight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusetc84 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I hated the album at first. But the past few days I've listened to it constantly. It's not the masterpiece people are proclaiming it as; a lot of the lyrics are kind of trite and straight forward, and I'm sorry "Shake It Off" is still a terrible song, and the rockers are corny as hell. That being said, it's not a terrible album. There are some beautiful melodies, and some of the songs do have heh a lot of emotional depth. the title track is great, "What Light" is great, and "On and On and On", though a bit sentimental, is moving in it's own way. Even a lot of the songs with terrible lyrics ("Either Way", "Hate it Here") have good melodies. It's not a masterpiece, but it does have it's own merits. I hope it continues to grow on me; I'd love to enjoy it as much as some people on here do. I don't see that happening, but given my history with this band, and what they've given me, I'm willing to give it a shot. Is it inferior to Summer Teeth and YHF? Probably. Has the quality of Wilco albums gone down since Jay left? Probably. But very few bands ever get to make a ST or a YHF. So I've tried to stop being a dick about the album and just giving it a shot. Granted you don't have to...it's your time, and you can spend it anyway you choose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Ouch. Lennon and Harrison just rolled over. If this was a Beatles forum, I'd put up a fight. you forgot Ringo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Embarcadero_Skies Posted May 17, 2007 Author Share Posted May 17, 2007 you forgot Ringo Who killed Ringo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I prefer these guys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=297zDxqzUJo...ted&search= Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 the rockers are corny as hell.Aren't they always? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Szabo Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I prefer these guys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=297zDxqzUJo...ted&search= They have always been a bit tongue in cheek... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Who killed Ringo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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