Mr. Kinsley Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 What exactly is your problem with The South?None really. But it seems that if anyone wraps themselves in the flag of the south (No, I don't mean the confed flag, if they just tout their 'southern-ness') they will pick up votes from that entire area - especially if the foe is a northerner - with almost no hesitation. I know, not everyone there thinks the same way, but enough do to make the difference in an election. It's an admittedly weak example, but look at American Idol. Has a non-southerner ever won? Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Interesting, and yes, troubling. Although there should be an emphasis put on allies. Depending on which way your flag flies, I suppose one could say that's splitting hairs, but the Clinton campaign did not file this lawsuit. President Clinton gives a pretty passionate and point-blank explanation here ( ) but I agree that the timing of this move is incredibly suspicious, and it is hard to imagine that the campaign had no connection to this whatsoever. I wonder what the Obama camp would have done if the union came out and supported Hillary. I guess we will never know.They came out in favor of the lawsuit. It doesn't really matter if they are the filers or not. It's pretty indefensible imo. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 None really. But it seems that if anyone wraps themselves in the flag of the south (No, I don't mean the confed flag, if they just tout their 'southern-ness') they will pick up votes from that entire area - especially if the foe is a northerner - with almost no hesitation. I know, not everyone there thinks the same way, but enough do to make the difference in an election. It's an admittedly weak example, but look at American Idol. Has a non-southerner ever won? Thanks for answering - I have never really seen that show - or enough of it to know who wins. On the other thing - I sure as fuck hope we don't get stuck with a republican son of a bitch again. Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 They came out in favor of the lawsuit. It doesn't really matter if they are the filers or not. It's pretty indefensible imo. Except that critics are saying that the Clinton campaign is disenfranchising voters... That's what I meant. They support the suit so it is splitting hairs. And I agree it's pretty indefensible. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I have more to say on this, but it's pretty much moot now that the judge refused to grant an emergency injunction. Suffice to say this will probably backfire on HRC--no matter how instrumental her campaign was in the lawsuit. Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I have more to say on this, but it's pretty much moot now that the judge refused to grant an emergency injunction. Suffice to say this will probably backfire on HRC--no matter how instrumental her campaign was in the lawsuit. Since when has the mootness of a topic silenced an opinion on this board? And yes, I agree this will backfire. Link to post Share on other sites
uncle wilco Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Thanks for answering - I have never really seen that show - or enough of it to know who wins. On the other thing - I sure as fuck hope we don't get stuck with a republican son of a bitch again.umm...me neither. considering that the current slate of Republican candidates are completely embarrassing and lacking in any vision and leadership. they seem completely oblivious to true conservative issues. i'm hoping a Democrat in the white house wakes the real conservatives out of their coma. that is, if there are any still out there. i sure as hell don't see any. it's been a few decades now. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 umm...me neither. considering that the current slate of Republican candidates are completely embarrassing and lacking in any vision and leadership. they seem completely oblivious to true conservative issues. i'm hoping a Democrat in the white house wakes the real conservatives out of their coma. that is, if there are any still out there. i sure as hell don't see any. it's been a few decades now. Sorry - I was mad when I made that statement. Link to post Share on other sites
uncle wilco Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Sorry - I was mad when I made that statement.hey, Republicans piss me off all the time lately. it's all good Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 One thing I find very interesting is that the people who are now saying that Hillary winning will be bad because it will give us 24 and possibly 28 years of Bush of Clinton in the White House are the very same people who in 2004 were looking through the Bush family tree to see who might be next in line for the next Bush White House. They did not seem to have a problem with it back then, Times change I guess. FYI I am not in favor of the two family system of government. Link to post Share on other sites
uncle wilco Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 One thing I find very interesting is that the people who are now saying that Hillary winning will be bad because it will give us 24 and possibly 28 years of Bush of Clinton in the White House are the very same people who in 2004 were looking through the Bush family tree to see who might be next in line for the next Bush White House. They did not seem to have a problem with it back then, Times change I guess. FYI I am not in favor of the two family system of government. i think dubya's 8 years of error have thankfully assured us that no other bush family members will ever be elected to national office ever again. i guess that's one thing he can take credit for. and i think you need at least 3 viable PARTIES to claim a democracy. what we have now seems far from it especially rotating bush/clinton/bush/clinton. screw that. Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 i think dubya's 8 years of error have thankfully assured us that no other bush family members will ever be elected to national office ever again. i guess that's one thing he can take credit for. The legacy he is searching for? Link to post Share on other sites
uncle wilco Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 The legacy he is searching for?probably not the one he was hoping for. you could maybe add "the NERO of the republican party." only i don't believe dubya knows how to play the fiddle. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Jeb would make a much better president than w. Link to post Share on other sites
uncle wilco Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Jeb would make a much better president than w.although i agree with you, that's really not saying much. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 I think Jeb could be a borderline good president. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 Did anyone see the clip of that model who throws cell phones at people asking Hilary about the time Bill cheated on her? Far out. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 I think Jeb could be a borderline good president.That's pretty much all we ask. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted January 19, 2008 Share Posted January 19, 2008 I think Jeb could be a borderline good president. I'd rather that we never have the opportunity to test that theory - ever. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 It appears that the momentum has went back to HRC for the time being. I was reading some news from NV and I didn't dig some of Barack's latest statements (rippin' on Bill, praise for Ray-Gun, etc.). I hope he stays focused - he's dealing with pros that have been doing this forever. On the other side - I think it would be awesome if the Reps had a brokered convention. I might be wrong but hasn't it been 56 years since that happened? I know I've never seen one. Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 I didn't dig some of Barack's latest statements (rippin' on Bill, praise for Ray-Gun, etc.).Both statements were justified, in my opinion. Obama rightly pointed out that Bill was intentionally mischaracterizing his comments, and rightly pointed out that Reagan changed the mood of the nation in a way that Nixon and Clinton did not. (There was no implication that Obama was overall pleased with Reagan's influence; he only meant to show that a president could, indeed, affect the mood of a nation--which is one of the cornerstones of Obama's own campaign.) If anything, Nevada showed me that the Clinton machine is as self-serving as ever. Plus, it's worth noting that while Clinton won the popular vote, under the state's weighting system, Obama earned 13 national convention delegates while Clinton only earned 12 delegates. Link to post Share on other sites
explodo Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 Yeah, they really took the Reagan comments and ran with those. I thought he was right on, but with everything being presented via four second sound bytes, it's pretty easy to have that misconstrued. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Here's some fun speculation about push-polling: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/01/p...polling-in.html Also, I heard part of an interview on Bob Edwards Weekend with the film maker behind Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections http://www.uncountedthemovie.com/ You can hear the interview on the podcast here:http://www.xmradio.com/podcast/index.xmc Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Also, I heard part of an interview on Bob Edwards Weekend with the film maker behind Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections http://www.uncountedthemovie.com/I need to see that. Sounds perfect for a double bill with American Blackout. Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Now, I say to you today my friends, even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: - 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.' Martin Luther King Jr., Speech at Civil Rights March on Washington, August 28, 1963 Link to post Share on other sites
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