watch me fall Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 do you think they actually believe it or do they just want to believe it because they're uncomfortable with him for other reasons? i'm curious. it's so funny, because the country is already in the process of being taken down, by the neocons of the last eight years, with plenty more dismantling to come from mccain/palin. i guess these people are among that large group of voters who always vote against their own interests? not until this year was i aware that the number of masochistic voters is so gigantic. I honestly don't know what they believe. I do know that I've heard a couple of people say that Obama and his wife hate America and that if he becomes president, they will stop at nothing to take down the country. I guess they think he's going to move all his Muslim terrorist friends over here and we'll live in some kind of Islamic state. I don't know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Sorry, seems to me things like Katrinia and poor health care kill more Americans than terrorism.Really? Now John McCain was responsible for Katrina? McCain and Obama have just as much responsibility for what happened down there (NONE!). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I personally know people who think this way. They seriously believe Obama is only doing this to take down our country. I know people who think this way about any democrat. The main reason I can think of for them thinking this way is that they have heard a steady stream of thoughts via television news and talk radio that echoes this line of thinking. They ignore the policies that cause the resentment that breeds terrorism, whether US or Saudi or soemothher countries policies, they ignore that 911 occurred while Bush was in office. Heck I had one person who was pissed at CLinton for allowing Sadaam to bomb the twin towers, the main anger was that Clinton did not finish off Sadaam while we had half a million troops there for Gulf War I. The lack of knowledge, the lack of critical thinking is absolutely dizzying these days. Really? Now John McCain was responsible for Katrina? McCain and Obama have just as much responsibility for what happened down there (NONE!). Not suprisingly point missed completly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 the fact that you can miss the hypocrisy in the two viewpoints you just posted is pretty staggering. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 The neocons are destroying the country and not special interest groups? Interesting. I'll confer with Jules and see if we can let you into our secret neocon society. As a rule I don't think we're big on Jews but I'll check. I'll PM you the secret code/handshake if they approve you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Not suprisingly point missed completly. Yeah? Seems to me like her point was that things like Katrina and health care kill more Americans than terrorism. A true point, but not a very good one, because John McCain had nothing to do with the problems in Katrina (The fucking government on all levels fucked up, it had nothing to do with party) and I don't see universal health care coming along regardless of who is president. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 why do you hate teh childrens, neocon? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I'll confer with Jules and see if we can let you into our secret neocon society. As a rule I don't think we're big on Jews but I'll check. I'll PM you the secret code/handshake if they approve you. I think the tribe is more than welcome...after all the two poster boys of the neocon movement are Jewish... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 oh. and they think he educated himself at Columbia and Harvard, earned a law degree, served his community as an organizer and as a civil rights attorney, served in the illinois state senate for 6 years, taught at the u. of chicago law school for 12 years (constitutional law), was elected to the u.s. senate in 2004 (where he worked on various issues such as election fraud, global warming, getting better care for returning iraq invasion vets, to name a few), and began his run for president in early 2007 -- plus somewhere along the line wrote two soul-baring books about his life and philosophy -- all so he could either lie about a supposed secret muslim life and, i assume, use it to bring down the country? if there are people who can't see how laughable that is, and obviously there are many, i guess they'll be voting for obvious liars like mccain and that beauty queen who emerged from the woods with her guns, pelts, and bible to star as his running mate. makes a lot of sense. I'm wondering how it is okay to reduce McCain and Palin to caricatures while making the point how it is terrible when people do it to Obama. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 He also isn't a terrorist or supportive of them. Obama? Really..I know this, and did not imply he was. oh. and they think he educated himself at Columbia and Harvard, earned a law degree, served his community as an organizer and as a civil rights attorney, served in the illinois state senate for 6 years, taught at the u. of chicago law school for 12 years (constitutional law), was elected to the u.s. senate in 2004 (where he worked on various issues such as election fraud, global warming, getting better care for returning iraq invasion vets, to name a few), and began his run for president in early 2007 -- plus somewhere along the line wrote two soul-baring books about his life and philosophy -- all so he could either lie about a supposed secret muslim life and, i assume, use it to bring down the country? if there are people who can't see how laughable that is, and obviously there are many, i guess they'll be voting for obvious liars like mccain and that beauty queen who emerged from the woods with her guns, pelts, and bible to star as his running mate. makes a lot of sense.great post! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 The neocons are destroying the country and not special interest groups? Interesting.that's not what i said. try reading again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Party @ the Moontower Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Really? Now John McCain was responsible for Katrina? McCain and Obama have just as much responsibility for what happened down there (NONE!). These are bigger issues than "fighting them bad terrorist". Katrina is not finished yet BTY. Terrorism is not the # killer of Americans, or the #1 threat in this country. It matters yes, but issues at home are the real issues republicans seem to ignore. I'm sick of this idea Bush protects us, and now McCain will.It's complete BS. War presidents? That's BS. What issues did McCain/Palin talk about at the RNC, how about now? And don't include the lies please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 that's not what i said. try reading again. no thanks. perhaps you should. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 (where he worked on various issues such as election fraud, global warming, getting better care for returning iraq invasion vets, to name a few)"worked on". In other words, didn't really do anything. I'll confer with Jules and see if we can let you into our secret neocon society. As a rule I don't think we're big on Jews but I'll check. I'll PM you the secret code/handshake if they approve you.It's more of the biking thing I have a problem with, but I think I can let it slide. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I'm wondering how it is okay to reduce McCain and Palin to caricatures while making the point how it is terrible when people do it to Obama.you know, i have been watching and listening to mccain for years, and to palin for X number of days. they put themselves on show -- as caricatures. that is what they seem to want to be. apparently it throws people who are looking for substantive change, or even the real views of mccain and palin, off the track. they look like they're enjoying their roles as caricatures immensely. that is what i see, because that is what they've shown me. do you want me to make something up about them, as they do? forget it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 you know, i have been watching and listening to mccain for years, and to palin for X number of days. they put themselves on show -- as caricatures. that is what they seem to want to be. apparently it throws people who are looking for substantive change, or even the real views of mccain and palin, off the track. they look like they're enjoying their roles as caricatures immensely. that is what i see, because that is what they've shown me. Or, because that is what you want to see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 "worked on". In other words, didn't really do anything.congratulations for buying the party line, most recently put forth by guiliani and palin at their convention. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 yes, Obama is the one real politician we've seen in how long? And of course he doesn't have staff, or PR or image people. And Biden? Wellhe wouldn't posture for the media at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Yeah? Seems to me like her point was that things like Katrina and health care kill more Americans than terrorism. A true point, but not a very good one, because John McCain had nothing to do with the problems in Katrina (The fucking government on all levels fucked up, it had nothing to do with party) and I don't see universal health care coming along regardless of who is president. It had a lot to do with party and policy. The republican party as a matter of policy/ideology does nto believe government should solve problems for ordinary people. The policy of installing incompetant policitally conected shills led to the inept response to Katrina. Your inane comment about mccain being responsible for katrina was just blustery crap with no real coherent or logical connection to what it was responding to. if mcbush and george w palin are going to continue to follow the policies of bush then it is goinng to be mccains problem. It used to be that the republican party and conservative idology said ameirca first, why spend elsewhere. now it seems like they want to spend and act everywhere but here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 congratulations for buying the party line, most recently put forth by guiliani and palin at their convention.I'm not buying anything. You said he "worked on" this and that while in Congress like it is evidence of accomplishing something. It isn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Or, because that is what you want to see.if you think this is fun -- seeing that crap, and seeing that it's most likely to win in november -- you couldn't be more wrong. i don't have your smugness. wish i did. instead i have heartache. go ahead and have a good laugh about that. there, i just did it for you. yes, Obama is the one real politician we've seen in how long? And of course he doesn't have staff, or PR or image people. And Biden? Wellhe wouldn't posture for the media at all.and i didn't say that either. can you read? let me answer for you, as bobbob likes to do: "no." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spawn's dad Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 awesome. not smug at all. typical liberal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I'm not buying anything. You said he "worked on" this and that while in Congress like it is evidence of accomplishing something. It isn't.i'm betting he has accomplished a lot more in his work and made more lives better than you have. it's very attractive that you've taken on the jeering at "work" that giuliani and palin did at the convention. congratulations again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 "worked on". In other words, didn't really do anything. What a ridiculous thing to say. Haven't you ever "worked on" anything with other people as a group? Would you then say since you weren't able to take sole credit for it that you "didn't really do anything"? I sure hope all those people that "worked on" building my car and making it safe to drive actually did something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 i'm betting he has accomplished a lot more in his work and made more lives better than you have. it's very attractive that you've taken on the jeering at "work" that giuliani and palin did at the convention. congratulations again. a) Do we have to get personal? b ) Is Jules running against Obama? c) This is all getting kind of ridiculous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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