John Smith Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Sadly from the first reports coming out of the Clemens hearings it looks likke it is 100% partisan as usual with Democrats apparently going for Clemens and Republicans going after McNamee. Though thus far from what I have read Dan Burton appears to be a huge dumb ass. Quoting a 2000 article where McNamee said he does not supply steroids to the Yankees. Never taking into account that in a news paper article McNamee was not under oath and that back in 2000 Mitchell had yet to even start his report. Also CLemenns makes way too amny illogical statements. Things like in one breath saying it would be impossible for him to get needles and in the next breath saying that the injections were B-12. Umm still need a needle for those B-12 shots roger. Or talkign about getting lydocaine shots in the butt. ROger, that's a local anesthetic, why do you need so manyshots of it in your a**. Or when he said McNamee could stay out of Jail by lying, nope roger he goes to jail if he lies. Roger has made in the neighborhood of $80million in Salary duriing the period when he has been accused of using. I would say that $10k per year in roids is worth the investment for him if it proves true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Clemens is embarrassing himself and looking like a big idiot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 What if he's telling the truth, though? I mean, I'm not sure I believe him myself, but is that possibility now beyond question? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rareair Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I mean, I'm not sure I believe him myself, but is that possibility now beyond question? yes? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 What if he's telling the truth, though? I mean, I'm not sure I believe him myself, but is that possibility now beyond question? He is lying. If I am wrong and he is telling the truth, he is an even bigger idiot than now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 McNamee has on his side that his statements about Pettitte and Knoblauch were corroborated by the recipients themselves. We'll probably never know for a moral certainty - unless a specific specimen of the medical waste shows both Clemens' DNA and steroids/HGH. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ZenLunatic Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 So is it possible that Clemens had steriods and HGH injected throughout the years in him without him knowing it and also his friends misunderstood him when admiting to them he took them? Or is has Clemens started on a road which he should never have and doesnt know where to stop? either way, big time idiot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Clemens is certainly doing all the things that an innocent man would do, but at the same time all of the circumstancial evidence looks really bad for him. He's either innocent or really stupid. I'm leaning towards the latter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I'd like to see Bill Paxton play Clemens in the TV movie of this, please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a.miller Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Yep. Certainly a big idiot. I'd like to think, at this point, that if Clemens really is guilty he would admit it. Perjury is kind of a big deal This whole ordeal really stinks for baseball. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted February 13, 2008 Author Share Posted February 13, 2008 What if he's telling the truth, though? I mean, I'm not sure I believe him myself, but is that possibility now beyond question? He is certainly acting like a guilty man to me. His story has never seemed quite right and has big holes you can drive through. Right now he has an "aw shucks" persona which I am guessing is to make him more common. Couple of notes for me though, the whole issue of the committee asking for the name of the nanny and not being given it until after several requests was very fishy, especially when we learn that Rogers lawyers contacted her and Roger invited her to visit his home before they ever gave her name to congress, and after congress asked for it. The other thing that struck me as just plain wrong is how Roger made sure the committee knew how easy he is to get a hold of and that Mitchell never got a hold of him. Of course Roger ignores that the union nearly to a man refused to talk to Mitchell. Roger knew where to reach Mitchell too. What I still don't like is the absolute partisan nature of the hearings. Representative Issa had the nerve to praise Baseball's steriod testing policy when it is widely acknowledged to be the worst policy in all of sports. How deep into Issa's pants did Selig delve to get Issa to make those comments? What a mess. BTW I have thought for years that Clemens has been using. Ditto for mostmajor leaguers. At this point I would venture to guess that maybe Maddux is the only guy in the bigs who I would not suspect at all. But right now nothing would surprise me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reni Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Howdy Pardners.....I'm Cowboy Gil....as in GUIL-TY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 BTW I have thought for years that Clemens has been using. Ditto for mostmajor leaguers. At this point I would venture to guess that maybe Maddux is the only guy in the bigs who I would not suspect at all. But right now nothing would surprise me. none of the Pirates are using, they can't afford it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Kinsley Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 none of the Pirates are using, they can't afford it.And if they are they're getting a terrible return on their investment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aricandover Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 And if they are they're getting a terrible return on their investment. no kidding. the drug money fund was drained in the early 80s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 none of the Pirates are using, they can't afford it.Good for them. The entire Orioles roster was using, and look where it got them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted February 13, 2008 Author Share Posted February 13, 2008 I live in the shadow of the University of Illinois and what I found distressing is that the Cream and the Clear were invented and being manufactured in their back yard. Distressing because prior to this year, it has been painfully obvious that none of these home grown products were being used by the local football team. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 no kidding. the drug money fund was drained in the early 80s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 none of the Pirates are using, they can't afford it. The signed ball I have at home has Yogi's sons' signature on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobfrombob Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 I have a ball signed by Duke Snider. And I think Clemens is an idiot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Griddles Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 BTW I have thought for years that Clemens has been using. Ditto for most major leaguers. At this point I would venture to guess that maybe Maddux is the only guy in the bigs who I would not suspect at all. But right now nothing would surprise me. I just do not care at all if he used them or not. Because I believe a majority of Major Leaguers have used steroids and at this point major league baseball should just grant them all clemency because there is no way they can check everyone from the last 10 years. What I still don't like is the absolute partisan nature of the hearings. Representative Issa had the nerve to praise Baseball's steriod testing policy when it is widely acknowledged to be the worst policy in all of sports. How deep into Issa's pants did Selig delve to get Issa to make those comments? What a mess. I still do not get why Congress is investigating this, do they have nothing better to do? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I still do not get why Congress is investigating this, do they have nothing better to do?Well, they've been struggling to keep busy since we established world peace and life is nothing but rainbows and lollipops anymore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted February 14, 2008 Author Share Posted February 14, 2008 I still do not get why Congress is investigating this, do they have nothing better to do? If I am not mistaken this is a carryover from the hearings of a couple of years ago. I diidn't hear the openig remarks but one of the score guys said that the remarks laid out , for him at least, valid reasons for the hearings. Remember these are controlled substances illegal under US law. Regardless of what the players say about them not being banned by MLB they have been illegal in the US for years. The reason for the ehariings may even stretch to the investigations of the "pharmacies" who fill out these presciptions cross country. I'm waiting foor the WWE guys tohave their hearings since they have such a huge visible issue wiith roids. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 The Daily Show did an excellent bit last night about the CIA interrogation tapes that were destroyed, and then several clips of Arlen Spector talking about how dishonest it was to destroy the tapes and how the public trust was abused by them leaving no evidence of what they were up to, etc. before they revealed that Spector was talking about the Spygate tapes destroyed by the NFL. If I am not mistaken this is a carryover from the hearings of a couple of years ago. I diidn't hear the openig remarks but one of the score guys said that the remarks laid out , for him at least, valid reasons for the hearings. Remember these are controlled substances illegal under US law. Regardless of what the players say about them not being banned by MLB they have been illegal in the US for years. The reason for the ehariings may even stretch to the investigations of the "pharmacies" who fill out these presciptions cross country. I'm waiting foor the WWE guys tohave their hearings since they have such a huge visible issue wiith roids. Also, MLB gets anti-trust exemptions that can technically be taken away if they're shown to be complicit in something like this. It's still a stupid thing for Congress to be addressing right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I just do not care at all if he used them or not. Because I believe a majority of Major Leaguers have used steroids and at this point major league baseball should just grant them all clemency because there is no way they can check everyone from the last 10 years.I don't believe a majority of major leaguers have used steroids. And I do care who used them, particularly players who have achieved milestones under accusations of using illegal and banned drugs. I think it does matter and disagree that all the players proven as cheaters should be granted clemency just because they got away with it for awhile and a lot of players were presumably doing it. The Mitchell Report and the fall out from it does not suggest that every player was using banned substances/cheating. There's no need to check every player from the last ten years. There is reason to check the players who have been accused with varying amounts of evidence to have broken the rules, though. I agree that Congress should probably be concentrating efforts and money elsewhere, though. However, I do think the potential severity of the consequences in bringing some of the bigger (read: high profile) cases in front of Congress can help impact the ridding of the substances from the sport. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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