Charleston Rescheduled???: The Merged Superthread!

[gdavis]

while you'll never hear wilco at a dance club, i remain optimistic that they can break through the mainstream.

 

that really burns my ass that i can't hear wilco in dance clubs.

[markosis]

I like Wilco

[awatt]

Do you want to know what I think?

 

[Guest Speed Racer]

Wow. In the time you would have spent driving to the show, being at the show, and returning from the show, a lot of you could probably knock off Elements of Style and Eats, Shoots & Leaves AND still catch the SNL performance.

 

And then maybe our board wouldn't read so much like spam...

 

Unless........this more appropriately indicates.....your rage done by the SNL not being performed with ......WILCO.

[Guest Speed Racer]

I'm really surprised there were no laughs for my Amtrack comment...

 

Froggie's in Australia. If it was Amtrack, it would be a hell of a lot later than 20 minutes.

[Happiechick]

bottom line is it is BS to cancel/reschedule a show 6 days prior to the date. Its just plain inconsiderate. People I am sure have travel plans, etc that have been made months in advance. plus the show is SOLD OUT. thats a pretty strong indication that the charleston area was pretty excited about the band coming to town and if i were in there shoes, which i am not, id feel responsible for essentially and albeit temporarily stating to people that SNL and a national TV audience (record sales) are more important that this one show. i am happy for wilco that they are getting this opportunity and it is hard to see bands make rational business decisions b/c essentially we would like to separate the business aspects from the fact the we love their music. but lets call a spade a spade here. theres no way they slap the ryman in the face like this. i hope their music gets all the attention it deserves but this in my opinion is a rather lame way to do it. i think they should have to play outdoors on the edge of a marsh with flies everywhere in august as a punishment. also canceling a friday show and replacing it with a thursday show sucks. i work for a living and dont have the luxury of riding around in a big fancy tour bus writing all kinds of fancy songs about your fancy conflicting emotions with fancy european guitars playing all kinds of fancy "riffs" with a bunch of fancy roadies and fancy hipster girls looking to have fancy emotionless fancy sex with unfancy me. god rock music has become so fancy...."alt-country"....whats the alternative? being fancy i guess.

Really? Do you really mean that? Some of these reactions to the cancelled show are so sad. As I sit and read through this entire thread, I can't help but think what an insult this is to one of the worlds most generous bands, who are also one of the most respected in the music world, who are supported with respectable and kind wives and families. How many rock stars wives care enough to meet fans and take their requests while waiting in line for a show in the freezing cold, give them hot chocolate in the freezing cold, etc.? Not one fancy rock star wife. If you are talking about fancy and wilco in the same thread, you can't mean wilco. They couldn't be anymore down to earth and sincerely unfancy. The opportunity to play on SNL is totally awesome and exciting, and a cancelled show is not. But please try to be thrilled and positive for this band (which btw has a huge amount of respect from people of all walks of life). Look at the bright side, you get to see them on SNL and in concert this summer.

[gdavis]

Tweedy wants to be a celebrity now. Sell some songs to VW, go to the Grammies, do a couple songs on SNL, screw over fans. Gone are the days when he just wanted to make interesting music. You know, the music that those mean people at the multinational corporation didn't like and hurt his feelings over. Good grief.

[tugmoose]

Sounds like somebody needs a new most favorite band in the whole, wide world.

[froggie]

> Froggie's in Australia. If it was Amtrack, it would be a hell of a lot later than 20 minutes

 

i used to play with model trains when i was younger, and i had an Amtrack

[M. (hristine]

Some of the responses have seriously bordered on religious fervor and a lack of perspective.

I honestly can't tell which side of the argument you're taking here. It sounds like you are describing the posters who said they have based their entire existence around seeing this one show.

 

Disappointment is one thing, but all the projected vitriol and extrapolation is just patently absurd.

[markosis]

There's a great band from Philly called Aderbat that is still pretty much unknown, although they are amazing and they should be huge. So, all the Wilco haters in here should go support Aderbat when they are unknown so they can scold them when they advance their career.

[Guest Speed Racer]

There's a great band from Philly called Aderbat that is still pretty much unknown, although they are amazing and they should be huge. So, all the Wilco haters in here should go support Aderbat when they are unknown so they can scold them when they advance their career.

 

Why not just scold them now for playing shows that might advance their career?

[Doug C]

Some of these reactions to the cancelled show are so sad. As I sit and read through this entire thread, I can't help but think what an insult this is to one of the worlds most generous bands, who are also one of the most respected in the music world, who are supported with respectable and kind wives and families. ... The opportunity to play on SNL is totally awesome and exciting, and a cancelled show is not. But please try to be thrilled and positive for this band (which btw has a huge amount of respect from people of all walks of life). Look at the bright side, you get to see them on SNL and in concert this summer.

Again, this is what I mean by a lack of perspective. You clearly are a Wilco fan but this sounds like you put your love of the band above your love of their music. This leaves you unable to see that the band, like all of us, can make bad choices. It is possible to be the biggest Wilco fan but still dislike something, whether it be a song or canceling a show on short notice to be on SNL. There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticizing the SNL decision. I am certain that Jeff Tweedy expected it to be criticized. Expecting them to honor the Charleston show is a perfectly valid and rational line of thought. I am obviously beating the proverbial dead horse here but you didn't reply yesterday when I was making my points.

So, sorry if some of you've read it before.

 

Playing on SNL is a nice honor, yes, but it is honorable and rational to say, "Thank you for the opportunity. We'd be honored to play but the timing isn't right. We have a show in 5 days and that's too close to cancel or postpone it . Thank you and please keep us in mind if another date opens up". Again I say that if this happened, you, Maggie, and others would have thought that it was an excellent decision. "That's why I love Wilco!" Why is it so difficult to admit this? If you admit this then you have the perspective to see beyond your adoration of the band members and see that they are human beings. Some of you stated that you would have said, "Dumb decision. They should have canceled that show. It's SNL! Everyone in the country can see them play 2 songs!" If you really would have reacted that way, then you need to re-evaluate your adoration. It may have gone from being a clear-thinking music fan to being a thought-fettered fanatic.

 

Wilco, I am sure, had reasons for the decision but since I am not privy to them, I am unable to evaluate them. Personally, though they are under no moral or contractual obligation to do so, I would have liked to see an immediate statement explaining the logic behind the decision, rather that simply 'rescheduled to appear on SNL'. And again, they do not owe me this but it would enable me to possibly understand it and therefore react in a different manner. But judging from the reaction here, they likely, and seemingly correctly, assumed that 'to appear on SNL' was enough for the fans.

 

Reasonable people can disagree. Unreasonable people cannot. It seems that you are unable to grasp that this was not a generous decision from 'one of the world's most generous bands'. I can grasp that you actually think that people across the country being able to watch 2 songs an hour apart on a past-it's-prime late night sketch comedy show is reason for celebration but playing a sold out show instead of rescheduling it on 5 days notice over 5 months away on a different night of the week for a reason other than serious illness or emergency is foolhardy.

 

I have been enamored and moved by Jeff Tweedy's music since I first heard Screen Door when No Depression was released. I will continue to be. I look forward to seeing as many Wilco and solo shows as I can afford to, just as I have for years. My level of 'fan appreciation' hasn't wavered nor will it. But I am saddened by this episode. I will try with all of my will to resist further posts on this matter.

 

Peace to you all.

[Good Old Neon]

Again, this is what I mean by a lack of perspective. You clearly are a Wilco fan but this sounds like you put your love of the band above your love of their music. This leaves you unable to see that the band, like all of us, can make bad choices. It is possible to be the biggest Wilco fan but still dislike something, whether it be a song or canceling a show on short notice to be on SNL. There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticizing the SNL decision. I am certain that Jeff Tweedy expected it to be criticized. Expecting them to honor the Charleston show is a perfectly valid and rational line of thought. I am obviously beating the proverbial dead horse here but you didn't reply yesterday when I was making my points.

So, sorry if some of you've read it before.

 

Playing on SNL is a nice honor, yes, but it is honorable and rational to say, "Thank you for the opportunity. We'd be honored to play but the timing isn't right. We have a show in 5 days and that's too close to cancel or postpone it . Thank you and please keep us in mind if another date opens up". Again I say that if this happened, you, Maggie, and others would have thought that it was an excellent decision. "That's why I love Wilco!" Why is it so difficult to admit this? If you admit this then you have the perspective to see beyond your adoration of the band members and see that they are human beings. Some of you stated that you would have said, "Dumb decision. They should have canceled that show. It's SNL! Everyone in the country can see them play 2 songs!" If you really would have reacted that way, then you need to re-evaluate your adoration. It may have gone from being a clear-thinking music fan to being a thought-fettered fanatic.

 

Wilco, I am sure, had reasons for the decision but since I am not privy to them, I am unable to evaluate them. Personally, though they are under no moral or contractual obligation to do so, I would have liked to see an immediate statement explaining the logic behind the decision, rather that simply 'rescheduled to appear on SNL'. And again, they do not owe me this but it would enable me to possibly understand it and therefore react in a different manner. But judging from the reaction here, they likely, and seemingly correctly, assumed that 'to appear on SNL' was enough for the fans.

 

Reasonable people can disagree. Unreasonable people cannot. It seems that you are unable to grasp that this was not a generous decision from 'one of the world's most generous bands'. I can grasp that you actually think that people across the country being able to watch 2 songs an hour apart on a past-it's-prime late night sketch comedy show is reason for celebration but playing a sold out show instead of rescheduling it on 5 days notice over 5 months away on a different night of the week for a reason other than serious illness or emergency is foolhardy.

 

I have been enamored and moved by Jeff Tweedy's music since I first heard Screen Door when No Depression was released. I will continue to be. I look forward to seeing as many Wilco and solo shows as I can afford to, just as I have for years. My level of 'fan appreciation' hasn't wavered nor will it. But I am saddened by this episode. I will try with all of my will to resist further posts on this matter.

 

Peace to you all.

 

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

 

Well said.

[myboyblue]

I'm not going to mention any names but I think that there are some folks that are a bit obsessed with making their point in this thread. Honestly, let's let this go. Think of the time wasted not changing anyone's mind.

 

Disappointing - Yes

Selfish, sell-out, the bands reputation is ruined forever in the fan's minds - No

[gdavis]

Again, this is what I mean by a lack of perspective. You clearly are a Wilco fan but this sounds like you put your love of the band above your love of their music. This leaves you unable to see that the band, like all of us, can make bad choices. It is possible to be the biggest Wilco fan but still dislike something, whether it be a song or canceling a show on short notice to be on SNL. There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticizing the SNL decision. I am certain that Jeff Tweedy expected it to be criticized. Expecting them to honor the Charleston show is a perfectly valid and rational line of thought. I am obviously beating the proverbial dead horse here but you didn't reply yesterday when I was making my points.

So, sorry if some of you've read it before.

 

Playing on SNL is a nice honor, yes, but it is honorable and rational to say, "Thank you for the opportunity. We'd be honored to play but the timing isn't right. We have a show in 5 days and that's too close to cancel or postpone it . Thank you and please keep us in mind if another date opens up". Again I say that if this happened, you, Maggie, and others would have thought that it was an excellent decision. "That's why I love Wilco!" Why is it so difficult to admit this? If you admit this then you have the perspective to see beyond your adoration of the band members and see that they are human beings. Some of you stated that you would have said, "Dumb decision. They should have canceled that show. It's SNL! Everyone in the country can see them play 2 songs!" If you really would have reacted that way, then you need to re-evaluate your adoration. It may have gone from being a clear-thinking music fan to being a thought-fettered fanatic.

 

Wilco, I am sure, had reasons for the decision but since I am not privy to them, I am unable to evaluate them. Personally, though they are under no moral or contractual obligation to do so, I would have liked to see an immediate statement explaining the logic behind the decision, rather that simply 'rescheduled to appear on SNL'. And again, they do not owe me this but it would enable me to possibly understand it and therefore react in a different manner. But judging from the reaction here, they likely, and seemingly correctly, assumed that 'to appear on SNL' was enough for the fans.

 

Reasonable people can disagree. Unreasonable people cannot. It seems that you are unable to grasp that this was not a generous decision from 'one of the world's most generous bands'. I can grasp that you actually think that people across the country being able to watch 2 songs an hour apart on a past-it's-prime late night sketch comedy show is reason for celebration but playing a sold out show instead of rescheduling it on 5 days notice over 5 months away on a different night of the week for a reason other than serious illness or emergency is foolhardy.

 

I have been enamored and moved by Jeff Tweedy's music since I first heard Screen Door when No Depression was released. I will continue to be. I look forward to seeing as many Wilco and solo shows as I can afford to, just as I have for years. My level of 'fan appreciation' hasn't wavered nor will it. But I am saddened by this episode. I will try with all of my will to resist further posts on this matter.

 

Peace to you all.

 

 

That people fail to understand your displeasure is insane. Bad move by the band in regards to their supportive fans. Good move if they are interested in the business side of music, which I always heard Jeff didn't give two shits about. Maybe they have changed their opinion recently or maybe it's 'Pottle Kettle Black.'

[M. (hristine]

'Pottle Kettle Black.'

I think I'm changing my user name.

[zark]

I can't wait to see Wilco this friday!!! Woo-hoo...what's that? They postponed the show to be on SNL? I had not heard. Bummer. I can't wait to see Wilco in August!!! Woo-hoo!!!

[astronaut888]

Not that I can add much to this conversation, but............

 

My good friend is an attorney in Charleston and has great seats but was called away to Alaska for a trial - so was going to miss friday's show.

 

I am from South Carolina and currently living in Memphis for Residency, however, will finish at the end of June.........and be back in SC.

 

So, this entire event works out GREAT for the two of us!!!!!

 

Sorry for those of you getting screwed.

 

BTW - I WILL be in Nashville on Sunday and would be singing a different tune if THAT show was cancelled.

 

ALSO - for those who can't cancel their plans to travel to Charleston, Just GO.........what a great place.....you'll have a great time......it's not like the show is in Little Rock or any place shitty......

[cryptique]

I can't wait to see Wilco this friday!!! Woo-hoo...what's that? They postponed the show to be on SNL? I had not heard. Bummer. I can't wait to see Wilco in August!!! Woo-hoo!!!

This is possibly the most perfect first post in Via Chicago history.

 

Welcome to the board!

[Good Old Neon]

This is possibly the most perfect first post in Via Chicago history.

 

Welcome to the board!

 

True enough

[M. (hristine]

Now you're going to sit in judgement of who is being objective? Oy. Now I've heard it all.

[Good Old Neon]

Now you're going to sit in judgement of who is being objective? Oy. Now I've heard it all.

 

Right back at ya

[EL the Famous]

Again, this is what I mean by a lack of perspective.

 

here's the thing, unless you actually had tickets to charleston show...of course these is going to be not a lack, but a DIFFERENT perspective.

 

as i don't care that much about the rescheduling of a show i'm not attending NOR an appearance on SNL i'll forget about and watch on youtube the next day, i'll just be pragmatic and/or objective about the whole thing and look at from the band's perspective. the practicality from a business perspective of appearing on SNL over one regional show is blatantly obvious...100X more exposure which translates to additional album and ticket sales.

 

then, considering the level of success (either commerically or culturally) equated w/ being asked to appear on the show...i'm sure it is considered a huge honor that they really didn't want to pass up. don't kid yourselves, while wilco is pretty 'big' right now, they don't have the stroke to have carte blanche on when they play on the show.

 

anybody could tell you i'm no 'blind fanatic or zealot' either...i still think SBS is tepid and sat out of attending any of their recent tour sans one residency show (which was pretty good, but could have been better w/ less SBS on the setlist). that said, i'm a realist and would have made the decision myself.

 

there are business and logistical decisions made to make a tour and actual sustainable career happen. while it doesn't make the fact you had to change your plans suck any less or any less unpleasurable for YOU, and I get that, I can totally understand why the band made the decision to reschedule. period.

[JUDE]

words, words, words, sell outs, words, words, more words.

 

 

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