bleedorange Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 They both did, months ago. Actually, they haven't. But I'm with Jude, I don't know that it's as relevant. Although, Obama was/is a pretty big time smoker. Maybe you're confusing medical records with the financial records they released earlier this year. Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 They both did, months ago. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080523/D90RBK0O0.html His likely Democratic rival, Barack Obama, will be 47 in August. Obama, lean and agile and a frequent basketball player, says he has quit smoking. Neither he nor Democratic opponent Hillary Rodham Clinton has released health records. Actually, they haven't. But I'm with Jude, I don't know that it's as relevant. Although, Obama was/is a pretty big time smoker. Maybe you're confusing medical records with the financial records they released earlier this year. I think it's irrelevant, too, which is why I don't see what the big deal is with how McCain is releasing his. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 I think it's irrelevant, too, which is why I don't see what the big deal is with how McCain is releasing his. Because Obama supporters are trying really hard to make McCain's age an issue, and, apparently, the fact that as a POW he might be mentally unfit. All of this is eerily similar to the whispering in 2000 when he was running against Bush. It's almost amazing how some people will lambaste Karl Rove and call him a criminal and then turn around and adopt his same tactics. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Whether or not it f Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Not sure what I was looking at before... Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Not sure what I was looking at before...I released my medical records here when I announced my trip to Chicago for the residency shows - that might be what you were thinking of. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Because Obama supporters are trying really hard to make McCain's age an issue, and, apparently, the fact that as a POW he might be mentally unfit. All of this is eerily similar to the whispering in 2000 when he was running against Bush. It's almost amazing how some people will lambaste Karl Rove and call him a criminal and then turn around and adopt his same tactics. This has to be the most disingenuous thing I've ever read. As if speculating about things that might be in records that McCain is hiding is even close to the same thing as the many, many documented instances of Rove just making things up (and yes, most likely partaking in criminal behavior). And McCain could easily diffuse the speculation by not being so secretive about his health. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 This has to be the most disingenuous thing I've ever read. As if speculating about things that might be in records that McCain is hiding is even close to the same thing as the many, many documented instances of Rove just making things up (and yes, most likely partaking in criminal behavior). And McCain could easily diffuse the speculation by not being so secretive about his health. How is he being secretive? He opened up his personal medical records regarding his mental health in 2000 and now he's opening up his personal medical records regarding his various treatments since then including the major surgeries removing melanomas. He provided access to his doctors for questions, too. He's not hiding anything. He's just being prudent and careful with personal medical records. And the comparison to Rove in this instance does fit, because it's exactly this same kind of speculation about his mental health that spurred the release of medical records in 2000. Again, though, why is this an issue? It isn't for the vast majority of the American people. Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 I think the confidentiality of medical records is a pretty big deal for most people; businesses have a lot of responsibility in this area also. I guess I can't blame McCain for not publishing his to the world at large. Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Obama has his own special additional challenge of convincing a lot of women that he's not a total bastard for jumping Hillary's spot in line. i'm not (that) sexist, but if that's the case...we are obviously not ready to have a woman as president. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 How is he being secretive? He opened up his personal medical records regarding his mental health in 2000 and now he's opening up his personal medical records regarding his various treatments since then including the major surgeries removing melanomas. He provided access to his doctors for questions, too. He's not hiding anything. He's just being prudent and careful with personal medical records. You left out the part about how only reporters who seem favorable to him can look at them, and how they're only given access to them for a very brief time, and how they can't have anything with them whatsoever that may assist them in going through the records. You think he's putting those restrictions on for no reason? And the comparison to Rove in this instance does fit, because it's exactly this same kind of speculation about his mental health that spurred the release of medical records in 2000. Again, though, why is this an issue? It isn't for the vast majority of the American people. Asking questions about something and purposely spreading misinformation about it are not the same thing. Yeah, but there are a lot of things that the vast majority of American people don't care about but should. Also, the reason it is an issue is because it would be a pretty big problem for someone with mental health issues to be President. We're trusting him with an awful lot of power if he's elected. I'm pretty sure you know that. Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Yeah, but there are a lot of things that the vast majority of American people don't care about but should. Also, the reason it is an issue is because it would be a pretty big problem for someone with mental health issues to be President. We're trusting him with an awful lot of power if he's elected. I'm pretty sure you know that. JFK spent his presidency doped up on drugs and on the brink of death from Addison's disease. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 At 72, I think McCain Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 i'm not (that) sexist, but if that's the case...we are obviously not ready to have a woman as president.Dude, women are still mad over the ERA never being ratified. I have heard it personally from a couple of female Hillary backers and read about in a variety of news outlets that they are deeply, deeply pissed that Obama is thwarting the gynarchy. You left out the part about how only reporters who seem favorable to him can look at them, and how they're only given access to them for a very brief time, and how they can't have anything with them whatsoever that may assist them in going through the records. You think he's putting those restrictions on for no reason?Yes. As a journalist, I would immediately mistrust and suspect these conditions. Glasnost, it is not. Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 JFK spent his presidency doped up on drugs and on the brink of death from Addison's disease. Yep. And he should have disclosed that. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 i'm not (that) sexist, but if that's the case...we are obviously not ready to have a woman as president. I don Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 I'm sympathetic to women who feel as though it is time for a female president -- I agree that it is past due. But it's long due for a racial minority president too. Regardless, no one is entitled to be President. Obama didn't take anything away from Hillary -- she hadn't earned it yet. We need to ensure that everyone has a fair shot at it without race or gender issues getting in the way of evaluating who the best candidate is, but we still have to find the best candidate. I was an Edwards supporter early on in this race, but there's no doubt in my mind that Obama ran the best campaign, and that is why Edwards lost and will Clinton will eventually lose. No doubt that Hillary got some unfair treatment because of her gender, but she also ran a really poor campaign. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Is it so hard for whites to believe that blacks may view the history of this country with an entirely different set of eyes, in an entirely different context? /end of rant.Yes, it is, apparently. The black experience in this country is by and large very, very different from the white experience. Link to post Share on other sites
Moe_Syzlak Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 WSJ: Sex and the Sissy I agree to an extent. I don't think anyone is entitled to support just because of their gender or skin color. Just as I don't think anyone ought NOT vote for someone based on those factors. But, I DO think Hillary has faced things other candidates have not. People compile the most unflattering pictures of her they can find, for example. And I believe a lot of Hillary hating started when her husband was elected and the masses were not comfortable with a First lady who actually contributed publicly. Stick to baking cookies seemed to be the sentiment. That said, Obama is obviously facing his own set of issues w/r/t race and McCain w/r/t age. She DOES face some level of sexism, but she shouldn't be using it as an excuse, IMO. It's not the reason she is losing (has lost). Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Speaking of medical records, consider this idea: According to section 3 of the 25th Amendment, any president who undergoes a colonoscopy may temporary transfer power to his vice president while he undergoes the surgery. Furthermore, Barack will enter office at age 47, and he will have his 50th birthday in office - the age at which one is recommended to start receiving colonoscopies. Therefore, whoever is Barack's vice president, assuming he wins, will be president for at least a day. Hillary's clearest path to the presidency (and being the first female president) is now through Barack's colon! Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 I released my medical records here when I announced my trip to Chicago for the residency shows - that might be what you were thinking of. how's that rash coming by the way? Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Oblivious says: "Only you can prevent forest fires!" Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 Speaking of medical records, consider this idea: According to section 3 of the 25th Amendment, any president who undergoes a colonoscopy may temporary transfer power to his vice president while he undergoes the surgery. Furthermore, Barack will enter office at age 47, and he will have his 50th birthday in office - the age at which one is recommended to start receiving colonoscopies. Therefore, whoever is Barack's vice president, assuming he wins, will be president for at least a day. Hillary's clearest path to the presidency (and being the first female president) is now through Barack's colon! That. Was. AWESOME. Link to post Share on other sites
remphish1 Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 I know there are a lot of Barack supporters on here which I get. Why though, does everyone think Hillary should throw in the towel? She is not far behind in popular vote and not that far behind in delegates. Her supporters donated a lot of time and effort and should see it through till the convention. Barack did not get the necessary delegates to clinch the nomination. People assume Barack will get it. I am not so sure. In a related note though I believe the two of them should team up. I think this would guarantee a victory for the Democrats in the election! Either way though who ever gets in it will be a much brighter future! Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 That. Was. AWESOME. It's also quite true. Cheney has become acting president twice because of the colonoscopy clause: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acting_Presid..._25th_Amendment If you total up Cheney's hours in office, you get 4 hours and 20 minutes. 4:20!!! :bonghit Link to post Share on other sites
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