mountain bed Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Vibes to Ted and his family. The man is the soul of the Democratic party, and the U.S. Senate for that matter. Love him or hate him you gotta say that the man has certainly stomped on the terra - for a long long time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted May 20, 2008 Share Posted May 20, 2008 Very sad day...sadly I believe he is a goner.... LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Very sad day...sadly I believe he is a goner.... LouieBDamn. The prognosis is not good. Evidently half of the 9000 Americans who are diagnosed with a malignant glioma die within a year. Three years would be considered really good. That '80 Convention speech seems strangely prophetic right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tugmoose Posted May 21, 2008 Author Share Posted May 21, 2008 Messages for the Senator Kennedy can be left here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pillowy star Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Is it tragic that a 76 year old man has been diagnosed with a possibly terminal illness? Sad, certainly, and no doubt devastating to his family, but it doesn't strike me as particularly tragic. He's lived a long life and had the opportunity to do more things than most. Lots of people don't make through their fifties. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Damn. The prognosis is not good. Evidently half of the 9000 Americans who are diagnosed with a malignant glioma die within a year. Three years would be considered really good. Fortunately for him he has money and acess to the very best of medical care so his prognosis might be a bit better than the average person...depending on how far along the disease is already though. Hope all goes well for him regardless of how it turns out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Damn. The prognosis is not good. Evidently half of the 9000 Americans who are diagnosed with a malignant glioma die within a year. Three years would be considered really good. That '80 Convention speech seems strangely prophetic right now.Did he predict being diagnosed with a brain tumor in 2008? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 fuck Michael Savage, dude is just human waste: On the day it was announced that Sen. Ted Kennedy had been diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor, nationally syndicated radio host Michael Savage opened his show by interspersing audio of Kennedy singing "Ay Jalisco No Te Rajes" with clips of news reporters discussing Kennedy's diagnosis and audio from Kindergarten Cop in which Arnold Schwarzenegger's character says, "It's not a tumor." Later, Savage played the Dead Kennedys song "California Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 fuck Michael Savage, dude is just human waste: Savage is a piece of shit masquerading as a human being Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wendy Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 fuck Michael Savage, dude is just human waste: and Fuck cancer too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 and Fuck cancer too.Yeah. Cancer can suck it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 fuck Michael Savage, dude is just human waste: Savage is a piece of shit masquerading as a human being Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Umm, this is why he still has a show. Please explain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 He's being discussed on an arguably obscure formerly alt country bands message board. So he's obviously still getting noticed, hence his ability to remain on the air. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 wait... how does being discussed here have anything to do with people listening to his show or having ratings? none of us on here actually would ever listen to his show? he still has a show because there's right wing sheep who listen to him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I'd wager he has a substantial portion of listeners who are far from right wing; people who find him offensive but are curious or feel the need to listen in order try and counter the venom he spews in some fashion. Just my opinion of course. Edit: This was the 100,000th post in the TTL section, do I get like a free t-shirt or something? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Did he predict being diagnosed with a brain tumor in 2008?I meant the famous statement "For all of those whose cares have been our concern the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die". It sounds like someone who knows the end is near speaking, not someone who has just lost a campaign. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 He's being discussed on an arguably obscure formerly alt country bands message board. So he's obviously still getting noticed, hence his ability to remain on the air. Don Imus got noticed, and then lost his job for a comment that pales in comparison to the sort of garbage Savage lets loose with each and every day. I don Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I'd imagine a greater portion listen just to hear what he says next, much like watching the aftermath of a traffic accident. Also, the Imus argument is B.S., his show wasn't based soley upon his Nappy headed blah, blah material. Savage was hired to do exactly what he does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I'd imagine a greater portion listen just to hear what he says next, much like watching the aftermath of a traffic accident. Also, the Imus argument is B.S., his show wasn't based soley upon his Nappy headed blah, blah material. Savage was hired to do exactly what he does. You Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Kennedy leaves hospital after diagnosis of malignant tumorBy Brian C. Mooney, John R. Ellement, and Andrew Ryan, Boston Globe Staff US Senator Edward M. Kennedy left Massachusetts General Hospital this morning, a day after the world learned that the last surviving brother of the famed Kennedy clan had been diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor. A white square bandage was visible on the back of Kennedy's head as he emerged from the hospital just after 10 a.m. He and his wife, Victoria Reggie Kennedy, passed through rows of cheering patients and staff members who shouted encouragement as they lined the hospital hallway. On the sidewalk the senator was greeted by the wagging tails of his two Portuguese water dogs, Splash and Sunny. Another crowd of onlookers outside burst into applause when Kennedy stepped in to the sunlight, with one woman shouting, "we love you," and another person yelling, "thank you." The senator smiled broadly, waved, and gave a thumbs up to the more than 50 reporters, photographers, and cameramen recording the moment. Kennedy kissed daughter, Kara, and his niece, Caroline Kennedy, and hugged his son, Representative Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island. He flashed the crowd of onlookers another thumbs up and then climbed into the front passenger seat of a dark blue Chevy Suburban. As his wife stepped into the car, she turned to the media and mouthed the words "thank you" before they drove off to the family compound in Hyannis Port. The cheering crowd outside the hospital included Sean Butler, 42, who came with three co-workers from the Local 537 Pipefitters union to pay respects to Kennedy and, in some small way, try to thank him for his steadfast support for organized labor. "We hope that voice isn't silenced so soon," Butler said. "I thought he looked a little thin, but under the circumstances, I thought he looked great. It's very sad." In a statement released by the hospital, doctors said: "Senator Kennedy has recovered remarkably quickly from his Monday procedure and therefore will be released from the hospital today ahead of schedule. He will return to his home on Cape Cod while we await further test results and determine treatment plans. He's feeling well and eager to get started." The prognosis appears uncertain for the political icon. Kennedy's diagnosis was announced three days after the 76-year-old senator was stricken Saturday in Hyannis Port. Doctors at Mass. General conducted a battery of tests, including a biopsy, and identified a cancerous mass on the top left portion of his brain as the cause of his seizure. The news sent shockwaves across Massachusetts, which he has represented in the Senate for more than 45 years, and across Washington, where he is held in high esteem by Democrats and Republicans alike. Many of his Senate colleagues were visibly shaken, some tearing up, and they quickly expressed their hope for the best possible outcome. "The usual course of treatment includes combinations of various forms of radiation and chemotherapy," said the statement by Dr. Lee Schwamm, a neurologist, and Dr. Larry Ronan, Kennedy's primary care physician. But the two Mass. General physicians added that decisions about the best course of treatment would be made after more tests and analysis. They described the senator as "in good overall condition . . . up and walking around the hospital . . . in good spirits and full of energy." The prognosis is highly variable at best, ominous at worst, and it raises the possibility that the workhorse lawmaker will be unable to complete the final 4-1/2 years of his eighth full term. Still, many of his allies immediately began rallying around him, describing him as a fighter who would beat back cancer as he has defeated political foes, and pointed out that he is from a family of cancer survivors. Despite the bad news, a Kennedy associate said that the senator shows no symptoms, remains upbeat, and has warned small groups of aides that he wants them back at work. One associate said Kennedy is plotting his course of treatment as if he were mapping strategy to enact a piece of legislation, peppering his doctors with questions and planning to reach out to other specialists before determining a course of action. He has given no thought to retirement, a Kennedy confidante asserted. "It's not even an option." Kennedy's type of cancer, known as a malignant glioma, is the most common kind of brain tumor in his age group. Nationally, about 9,000 such malignancies are diagnosed each year. Dr. Patrick Wen, clinical director for neuro-oncology at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, said that a malignant glioma, in general, is "a really serious tumor," usually Grade 3 or 4 on a scale where 4 is most severe. "The average survival for a Grade 4 tumor is 14 or 15 months," Wen said. "For a Grade 3 tumor, it's two to three years. Unfortunately, the older you are, the worse it is. . . . It's more aggressive. If Kennedy is unable to serve, a special election to choose a successor would be held between 145 and 160 days after the seat becomes vacant, according to a state law enacted in 2004. Kennedy, the second-longest serving member of the Senate and third-longest serving in its 219-year history, has had a series of health problems over the years. Six months ago, he underwent surgery to repair a partially blocked carotid artery in his neck. But he has continued to maintain a vigorous schedule. The senator and his wife were given the diagnosis late Monday by his doctors. Victoria Reggie Kennedy returned to Mass. General today at 7:15 a.m. and walked briskly inside. She issued an e-mail yesterday saying that they had been thrown "a real curveball," but neither the senator's office nor any other family members issued public statements. Once the senator's illness was announced yesterday in an e-mail to reporters, reaction was broad, swift, and solemn. Dana Perino, Bush's spokeswoman, said the president "was deeply saddened and would keep Senator Kennedy in his prayers." Kennedy's hospitalization Saturday triggered alarm in the political world and drew an outpouring of support from around the nation. The concern abated when friends and associates said later that day that he was talking and joking with family, watching the Red Sox on television, and getting takeout from Legal Sea Foods. But as word of the new diagnosis traveled quickly yesterday, his constituents expressed sadness upon hearing the news. "Oh, my God," said Lisa Rappoli, 55, of Belmont. "It's a shock, just a shock." "I just felt sorrow, but I'm praying, wishing that he has at least a good chance," said Angelo Vespa, 43, of Newton. "All that he's gone through, it's really said." Since being elected to the Senate in 1962 to the seat vacated by his brother, President Kennedy, Edward Kennedy has sponsored more than 2,500 bills, with nearly a quarter becoming law. He has made a career of championing the causes of the least fortunate. His ability to forge bipartisan agreement has brought sweeping changes to entire sections of federal law dealing with healthcare, mental health, the disabled, early childhood education, labor, civil and voting rights, and immigration. His first major speech on the Senate floor was in support of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. To Massachusetts, Kennedy has helped bring enormous sums of money for funding medical and other scientific research, infrastructure, historic preservation, and aid for the state's older cities. A summary of Kennedy's achievements in the Senate, compiled by his staff, is 50 single-spaced pages long. "That's the trimmed-down version," an aide said recently. Kennedy is the only one of the four brothers to live through middle age. His three brothers all died prematurely: Joseph P. Kennedy Jr., killed in 1944 on a World War II bombing mission; John F. Kennedy, assassinated in Dallas in 1963; and Robert F. Kennedy, assassinated while campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination in Los Angeles in 1968. Political success and personal tragedy have marked the story of one of the nation's most famous families. Three other nephews died tragically - John F. Kennedy Jr. in a plane crash, Michael Kennedy in a skiing accident, and David Kennedy from a drug overdose. Two of Edward Kennedy's children, Edward Jr. and Kara, are cancer survivors. Kennedy has suffered through his own misfortune and failure. In 1964, he suffered a broken back in a small plane crash in Western Massachusetts that resulted in the death of the pilot and one of Kennedy's aides. In 1969, Mary Jo Kopechne drowned when a car driven by Kennedy went off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island, and Kennedy left the scene. In the late 1980s, he abandoned any ambition to the presidency when he announced he would run for reelection to the Senate. "I know that this decision means that I may never be president," he declared. "But the pursuit of the presidency is not my life. Public service is." John R. Ellement, Carey Goldberg, and David Abel of the Globe staff and Globe correspondent Matthew Collette contributed to this report. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I'd wager he has a substantial portion of listeners who are far from right wing; people who find him offensive but are curious or feel the need to listen in order try and counter the venom he spews in some fashion. Savage gets to stay on the air because he gets a reaction. I would wager that a majority of Savage listeners are not right wingers too. I would imagine that if most of them sat down and quantified their thoughts and their own opinions/positions they might be closer to the middle. But they listen because radio people like savage tap into some innner anger some inner wrong real or imagined that these people have. He taps into it and is their outlet/megaphone/sounding board for unleashing it. My brother in law is a hard core right winger, has no use for the constitution (he won't say that but if you listen to his grievences it is painfully obvious that to im the constitution is an impediment to what he feels must be done.) , wants a father figure runing the country for life and business/his life to run free from government interference (through surpisingly he has no problem with government interfereing in other peoples lives) Anyhow 10 years ago he was fairly middle of the road then he started traveling a lot and listening to much talk radio. It all tapped into his inner victim and every issue that affects him negatively has a perpetrator and he is the victim and he will say these talk radio programs have no affect on him, yet when he argues you would swear you had the AM dial tuned to talk radio as he parrots severla of the talk show guys, especially Rush and Glenn Beck (hhe TIVO's Beck) RIgth now his target, besides the dreaded "liberals" are immigrants and all muslims. Of course by immigrant he means mexican and has no problem with Irish/Germans and other europeans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Savage gets to stay on the air because he gets a reaction. I would wager that a majority of Savage listeners are not right wingers too. I would imagine that if most of them sat down and quantified their thoughts and their own opinions/positions they might be closer to the middle. But they listen because radio people like savage tap into some innner anger some inner wrong real or imagined that these people have. He taps into it and is their outlet/megaphone/sounding board for unleashing it. My brother in law is a hard core right winger, has no use for the constitution (he won't say that but if you listen to his grievences it is painfully obvious that to im the constitution is an impediment to what he feels must be done.) , wants a father figure runing the country for life and business/his life to run free from government interference (through surpisingly he has no problem with government interfereing in other peoples lives) Anyhow 10 years ago he was fairly middle of the road then he started traveling a lot and listening to much talk radio. It all tapped into his inner victim and every issue that affects him negatively has a perpetrator and he is the victim and he will say these talk radio programs have no affect on him, yet when he argues you would swear you had the AM dial tuned to talk radio as he parrots severla of the talk show guys, especially Rush and Glenn Beck (hhe TIVO's Beck) RIgth now his target, besides the dreaded "liberals" are immigrants and all muslims. Of course by immigrant he means mexican and has no problem with Irish/Germans and other europeans. There isn't a true "hard core right winger" that has no use for the Constitution. He's severely misguided if that's the case. Of course, this is true of people at the extremes of either side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Kennedy leaves hospital after diagnosis of malignant tumor Good to hear! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Good to hear! All other talk and debate aside, this is great news. Whether or not you share his views, Kennedy deserves respect Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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