Moe_Syzlak Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I think what Wilco did WAS risky!Risky how? I think it may have been risky from a fan expectation standpoint, but there is really no new ground broken here. That's what i was referring to when I said I support an artist's ability to do whatever they want, whatever moves them. If simpler, more straightforward songs are what they were all about, great! And it may be a risky move given the Pitchfork crowd that has started to comprise a good portion of their audience. But this is risky from a career move standpoint, not a songwriting standpoint. It's genial enough, but after the last few albums it feels superficial to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 If simpler, more straightforward songs are what they were all about, great! Do you really think the chord progressions in songs like YAMF are straightforward? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe_Syzlak Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Do you really think the chord progressions in songs like YAMF are straightforward?Earlier I said I felt YAMF was the one exception and consequently the one tune of the whole album that is on my "favorite all-time Wilco songs" list. But again, I really do like the album, I'm just messed up enough to still consider it a disappointment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I remember that Saturday night and I remember the joy I felt when I was hearing these songs for the first time through my shitty computer speakers... I am somehow still reminded of that night of joy every time I play the album. Those opening notes of Either Way still give me chills. I was just so freaking happy. That was my first experience streaming a new album from Wilco and I felt like I was sharing my joy with other Wilco nerds like me. I can't believe that was a year ago. I was so much older then. My wife and I sort of have a tradition where we both go and pickup new Wilco record the day it comes out. I too will never forget the opening notes of Either Way.. Wife and I just looked at each other and smiled. I know, I know.. Aw.. how cute right.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 My wife and I sort of have a tradition where we both go and pickup new Wilco record the day it comes out. I too will never forget the opening notes of Either Way.. Wife and I just looked at each other and smiled. I know, I know.. Aw.. how cute right.. Yeah, I hear ya. I always do the same thing too. I guess there was just something different and beautiful to me about being in the back room in my small apartment, late at night, plugged into the computer, listening to the album when Wilco leaked it a couple of months early for us. Someone ties a bow in my backyard to show me love. So many hearts beating in one place. EDIT: and I remember listening to it 3 times in a row that night because I was afraid, like Cinderella and her pumpkin/midnight, that when I stopped listening to the stream that it would go away and I'd have to wait months for the album. Anyone remember the joy at coming back the next morning to see that if you left the window open you could keep streaming?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sunken mountain Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Just beautiful and comfortable...not easy,but yours,like your favourite jeans isn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 interesting that this topic comes up right now. i've been having a hard time with 24/7 tinnitus, to the point where i became afraid to listen to music at all. it's so important to me, though, that i couldn't accept letting it go out of my reach psychologically. starting a couple of weeks ago i've been trying a "music protocol" designed to work your way back to tolerating sound through music AND being able to focus on the music despite your tinnitus. it involves listening to one cd every single day, beginning with a very low volume the first week and then slowly moving the volume up every week thereafter. i'm in my third week, and so far so good. the cd i chose to listen to throughout this is . . . SBS. i look forward to my hour with it every single day, it's like christmas every day. i now hear every nuance of it and love each song for its own self. i do think it was a risky cd for them to put out, not only because it might not have been what the average fan expected but also because it has a unique sound. i've heard nothing else like it; it reminds me of nothing and no one else, so i see it as risky and adventurous because it's completely new and unique. its beauty is partly subtle, but for me there's no doubt about it: it's beautiful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Vibes for your tinnitus. I hope you get well soon. You couldn't have picked a better CD for your treatment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cousin Tupelo Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I think with any artist(s) with a body of work, there is the arc of their growing and learning within their art, their craft, their own skin. By far, most artists' arc is straight and true, some a bit of a squiggle here and there. With Tweedy and his minions, the curve is a healthy wave (consider the eager tail of a spermazoa -- sorry, no visual aid). Certainly every fan's comfort zone has been compromised at one time or another on the directions Wilco has taken, yet at each point Tweedy was within his comfort zone, or at least going where he felt necessary for his art, his craft. Sometimes that dovetails where where you're at, your frame of reference; other times, no dice. I find SBS a very reaffirming album, and I venture from everything I've read/heard is that for Tweedy it may be his most confident work. I wonder if those with concerns about SBS is it largely a perceptional issue based on where each person is at musically and how earlier works have dovetailed with those frames of reference. You can oversimplify this with the alt-country fan, the Wilco-as-Radiohead crowd, the SLF/PiL punk sensibility. I've definitely had enough coffee ... The last two records have done virtually nothing for me, which is a shame really. Maybe I just set myself up for failure, with expectations impossible for any band to meet. Yes, that's it. It is my fault. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Vibes for your tinnitus. I hope you get well soon. You couldn't have picked a better CD for your treatment. thanks very much, lamrod. you all here manage to keep me entertained no matter what! so i appreciatethis place in numerous ways. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I think with any artist(s) with a body of work, there is the arc of their growing and learning within their art, their craft, their own skin. By far, most artists' arc is straight and true, some a bit of a squiggle here and there. With Tweedy and his minions, the curve is a healthy wave (consider the eager tail of a spermazoa -- sorry, no visual aid). Certainly every fan's comfort zone has been compromised at one time or another on the directions Wilco has taken, yet at each point Tweedy was within his comfort zone, or at least going where he felt necessary for his art, his craft. Sometimes that dovetails where where you're at, your frame of reference; other times, no dice. I find SBS a very reaffirming album, and I venture from everything I've read/heard is that for Tweedy it may be his most confident work. I wonder if those with concerns about SBS is it largely a perceptional issue based on where each person is at musically and how earlier works have dovetailed with those frames of reference. You can oversimplify this with the alt-country fan, the Wilco-as-Radiohead crowd, the SLF/PiL punk sensibility. I've definitely had enough coffee ... well said, well said! keep on with the coffee! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cooperissup3r Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 the only song i really don't like on SBS is Please Be Patient. The rest are excellent songs. On and On and On....wow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I really loved SBS when it first came out. Although, this is true of each previous album, and I have a strong suspicion that this will be true of all of Wilco's future albums. That being said, I don't go back to it all that often, and it's one of two Wilco albums (the other being A.M.) that I skip around on a lot, depending on what I'm in the mood to listen to. Leave Me... is probably my least favorite Wilco song and What Light is another that I often skip without feeling any remorse. It's still Wilco and it's still a great album (case in point, I'll argue to the death its merits against any that disagree ). But it's not one I think I'll reach for too often unless I'm in the perfect mood for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a.miller Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Impossible Germany is the only song I go back to on SBS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I still like it. It's very good. But it could have been great. Tracks 1-5 are perfect and beautiful. A+! But, to me, this would have a better track list and put Sky Blue Sky in the same company as Being There. 1. Either Way2. You Are My Face3. Impossible Germany4. Sky Blue Sky5. Side With The Seeds6. One True Vine7. Leave Me Like You Found Me8. Glad It's Over9. What Light10. On and On and On 11. Walken (after long fade out...the same way they did Late Greats on AGIB) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouisvilleGreg Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 I still like it. It's very good. But it could have been great. Tracks 1-5 are perfect and beautiful. A+! But, to me, this would have a better track list and put Sky Blue Sky in the same company as Being There. 1. Either Way2. You Are My Face3. Impossible Germany4. Sky Blue Sky5. Side With The Seeds6. One True Vine7. Leave Me Like You Found Me8. Glad It's Over9. What Light10. On and On and On 11. Walken (after long fade out...the same way they did Late Greats on AGIB) I would like the album more if it looked like this: 1. Either Way2. Face3. Impossible Germany4. Sky Blue Sky5. Let's Not Get Carried Away6. Hate It Here7. Glad It's Over8. Leave Me9. Walken10. What Light11. Thanks I Get As it is, I listen to it the least. Perhaps that has to do with how often I see the band live, and SBS has been the focal point for well over a year. I think that theory was applicable for the tours behind YHF and AGIB as well. I'm not sure what I expected with the current lineup when they recorded it, but SBS wasn't what I expected at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radiokills Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 you are my face is the only listenable song on that album, in my opinion. the rest - just like it was a year ago - is bland. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mollyegan Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Just beautiful and comfortable...not easy,but yours,like your favourite jeans isn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sunken mountain Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 What about ST? Is it like a mistress? Well said, by the way. Exactly! ,only to have a good time! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vacant Horizon Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 well, i have finally been listening closely to SBS. I got into AGIB immediately, but SBS took a year. I think it is an excellent album and very well crafted. As with others, I could do with out Please Be Patient With Me and adding The Thanks I Get. Other than SBS the song, each of the songs is like a mini suite with a great melody, interlocking guitar lines, textured piano/organ, and an awesome breakdown. Impossible Germany being the best example. Really digging it.c Quote Link to post Share on other sites
itstillmoves84 Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Either Way is one of the best cd openers I've heard in awhile. Personally, I think YAMF is one of the most beautiful songs they've ever written. Still love Being There though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sunken mountain Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I think with any artist(s) with a body of work, there is the arc of their growing and learning within their art, their craft, their own skin. By far, most artists' arc is straight and true, some a bit of a squiggle here and there. With Tweedy and his minions, the curve is a healthy wave (consider the eager tail of a spermazoa -- sorry, no visual aid). Certainly every fan's comfort zone has been compromised at one time or another on the directions Wilco has taken, yet at each point Tweedy was within his comfort zone, or at least going where he felt necessary for his art, his craft. Sometimes that dovetails where where you're at, your frame of reference; other times, no dice. I find SBS a very reaffirming album, and I venture from everything I've read/heard is that for Tweedy it may be his most confident work. I wonder if those with concerns about SBS is it largely a perceptional issue based on where each person is at musically and how earlier works have dovetailed with those frames of reference. You can oversimplify this with the alt-country fan, the Wilco-as-Radiohead crowd, the SLF/PiL punk sensibility. I've definitely had enough coffee ...I like your posts!Well said.(You have one very good on the BD vs JT thread,too) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I could do with out Please Be Patient With Me I don't understand why some people don't like Please Be Patient With Me. It's such a sweet, personal, song.. Not to mention, coming from a guitar player, the fingerpicking work on it is remarkable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Muncle Douchey Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I don't understand why some people don't like Please Be Patient With Me. It's such a sweet, personal, song.. Not to mention, coming from a guitar player, the fingerpicking work on it is remarkable. well said dude. it's actually my favorite song on the album. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sunken mountain Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 I don't understand why some people don't like Please Be Patient With Me. It's such a sweet, personal, song.. Not to mention, coming from a guitar player, the fingerpicking work on it is remarkable. I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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