Reni Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 Its an old-time chicago rivalry. There is alot of bragging rights in these games. You gotta take it when you lose and gloat when you win. It's all part of the fun. Jen, were you aware of this? Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 Jen, were you aware of this? I don't think i was aware that there was a rivalry between the white sox and the cubs. I must have missed the "good sportsmanship memo" where it was discussed. Also as a follower of the Red Sox, we don't usually fall into those sorts of traps. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 A surprising comparison of Mark Buehrle and Tom Glavine drawn up by a poster on a White Sox board:I was looking at Baseball Reference and saw that they rated Buehrle and Glavine to be very similar through age 28. I decided to check the stats of each respective pitcher and this is what each had done through age 28. As a point of reference, Buehrle's stats are form 2000-2007 while Glavine's are from 1987-1994. Both pitchers had 8 years of service time through age 28. Win-Loss RecordBuehrle: 107-75Glavine: 108-75 The similarity there is beyond striking. Those are near exact numbers through 8 seasons in MLB. ERABuehrle: 3.80Glavine: 3.58 Glavine has a better ERA, but only slightly better. Buehrle's higher number is likely indicative of the power hitters that dominate AL line-ups. I think we can call this a wash. Games Pitched/StartedBuehrle: 259/234Glavine 233/233 Games started is nearly identical, but that's no surprise when each pitcher has spent about the same amount of itme in a starting rotaiton and neither misses starts. This is a wash. Complete Games/ShutoutsBuehrle: 22/7Glavine 30/12 I was sort of shocked that Buehrle only had 7 shutouts, but one of those is a no-hitter. Still, the edge goes to Glavine here as he has more CGs and SOs. Innings PitchedBuehrle: 1,629.0Glavine: 1522.3 Buehrle is ahead here, but the difference isn't that great. While each pitcher has started about the same number of games during the selected years, Buehrle had 25 relief appearances. Lets assume that Buehrle has gone about 75 more innings in games started then. That comes out to about an extra 1/3 inning per start for Buehrle. Not too much of a difference, but still a nice edge to the 200 IP per year workhorse. HitsBuehrle: 1,681Glavine: 1,467 Glavine gave up fewer hits, but Buehrle also pitched more innings. Still, Glavine comes out ahead in hits per inning. HRsBuehrle: 187Glavine: 104 This isn't surprising. Buehrle pitches in the #1 hitters park in baseball. Any Sox pitcher is going to give up a lot of home runs. Granted Glavine did pitch in County, but I believe more HRs are hit per season at the cell than were at Fulton County. Someone can check that one out. WalksBuehrle: 373Glavine: 513 This is a clear edge to Buehrle and his amazing control. StrikeoutsBuehrle: 943Glavine: 904 Buehrle has the slight edge here. This surprised me as he isn't seen as a strikeout pitcher. Either way, his K/BB ratio is the clear winner here. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Matt Garza is pitching against the Marlins today and things are happening. I'm not the type of guy that says what those things are... Link to post Share on other sites
Smokestack Joe Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 nice comparison between buerhle and glavine. are you also trying to say that buerhle could be a hall of famer? i think glavine will be. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 If Buerhle can continue pitching until he is 42 with no noticable drop in production like Glavine. I think it is also important to note that Glavine was better compared to his league than Buerhle. Baseball production does not happen in a vaccuum. Buerhle has a career 121 ERA+ without any sort of decline phase, whereas Glavine's is at 118 despite his decline phase. Though I will say Glavine isn't as big a slam dunk HOFer as Maddux or Smoltz, and he was never as good as either. Buerhle is very comparable to him, but I'd say he's a major long shot at best to sustain his career as long as Glavine has. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 Anyone's a long shot to pitch till 42 until they start getting close. The comparison just was through the age of 28. Nothing more. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 I think it is also important to note that Glavine was better compared to his league than Buerhle. Baseball production does not happen in a vaccuum. Buerhle has a career 121 ERA+ without any sort of decline phase, whereas Glavine's is at 118 despite his decline phase.Not through age 28. Glavine's ERA+ was only 108. I guess one thing that's impressive about Glavine's career is that he got better as the league started roiding up. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Hmm, that is strange. I assumed since offensive levels were higher during his time, it would be the opposite. I also can't believe he was only at 108 when he had seasons of 80, 99, 94, 153, 133, 127, and 106. That seems off... Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted June 26, 2008 Author Share Posted June 26, 2008 http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/sco...e=28&age=28 Hmm, that is strange. I assumed since offensive levels were higher during his time, it would be the opposite.Well, basically, offensive numbers went up and Glavine's numbers stayed the same or got better, which improved his ERA+. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/sco...e=28&age=28 Well, basically, offensive numbers went up and Glavine's numbers stayed the same or got better, which improved his ERA+. That makes sense. Unbelievable that he went from 94 to 2008 and actually lowered his ERA .05 points. Link to post Share on other sites
Smokestack Joe Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 i like buerhle as a player and a person and i like it that he isnt considered one of the big time pitchers. he hasnt had a super great year since '05 so he is a little off the media radar (outside of chicago maybe). but '01-'05 he was one of the best. yeah i think he can last into his 40s, he has great control and doesnt overthrow. similar to glavine so he has the stones to make it that far. as far as HOF, i think he would need to claim a Cy Young, lead in seasonal wins one or two years, over 250 career wins....who knows? that can still all happen. go buerhle! Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 2007 was one of his best years. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 I don't see Buerhle pitching much beyond his early 30's. It's rare for a pitcher with a low strikeout rate to sustain that (Glavine being one example of a guy who could). Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 Oney Guillen was promoted from Rookie league to A-ball.Here are his 2007 stats:http://thebaseballcube.com/players/G/Oney-Guillen.shtml2008:http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/st...&pid=518750 Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Wow. I could probably hit .122 in Rookie ball. I could probably strike out fewer times, too. I have never played organized baseball in my life. Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Yeah, but could you strain yourself moving a pillow? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 Wow. I could probably hit .122 in Rookie ball. I could probably strike out fewer times, too. I have never played organized baseball in my life.No offense, but I doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted June 27, 2008 Share Posted June 27, 2008 You're probably right ... but if there's one thing I have going for me physically, it's hand-eye coordination. I'm also a switch-hitter (NAPE). Link to post Share on other sites
Smokestack Joe Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Buerhle pitched a gem last night. thank you for sweeping the Cubs!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 The AL seemed to have beaten up on the NL, overall, once again. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted June 30, 2008 Author Share Posted June 30, 2008 The AL seemed to have beaten up on the NL, overall, once again.Yeah, it was a trouncing. Something like 150-100. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Maybe it's time the American League tells the National League about that "DH" option.(ducks from wrath of purists) Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied lightning Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 Reds took care of the Indians Link to post Share on other sites
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