Central Scrutinizer Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Not saying anyone lives a perfect life, but when one of your party's mainstays is a platform of family values, it's pretty funny that the presidential candidate has had an affair and his VP nominee has a 17 year old daughter who's pregnant and unmarried. And yes I do see that as being hypocritical.The party promoting the good judgment of having the baby, but ignoring the judgment that created the situation. You can't have it both ways, but you sure as hell can try. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 what kind of work do you do to assist the poor? Quite a bit (though I could always do more), actually. But then, I Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Not saying anyone lives a perfect life, but when one of your party's mainstays is a platform of family values, it's pretty funny that the presidential candidate has had an affair and his VP nominee has a 17 year old daughter who's pregnant and unmarried. And yes I do see that as being hypocritical.right, so the alternative seems to be to have no moral standards at all. then, even if you're married, you're free to do whatever feels good and leave the stains wherever you please. Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 what kind of work do you do to assist the poor?Quite a bit (though I could always do more), actually. But then, I Link to post Share on other sites
watch me fall Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 The party promoting the good judgment of having the baby, but ignoring the judgment that created the situation. You can't have it both ways, but you sure as hell can try.And that's the part I'm having a real problem with. Link to post Share on other sites
watch me fall Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 right, so the alternative seems to be to have no moral standards at all. then, even if you're married, you're free to do whatever feels good and leave the stains wherever you please. No the alternative is to live your life the best way you can and not to try and live up to some impossible standards. I'm in no way perfect, but yeah, I have morals. I haven't killed anyone, cheated on anyone or lied on my taxes nor have I preached to anyone that they should do the same. Live your life the way you want, within the law of the land, or course, and I'll do the same. I certainly don't need some political party telling me I'm wrong one way or the other. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 correct. Yes, because as I Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Umm turn on fox news for that. Exactly what stories are you referring to where the media is trying to tear down McCain & Palin? Stories where they ask a direct question and don't get an annswer so they ask it again and again? Or stories where they are trying to figure out who Palin is or what excatly? How about some concrete examplesi'm not referring to any. i was responding to an earlier post. Quite a bit (though I could always do more), actually. But then, I Link to post Share on other sites
embiggen Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I certainly don't need some political party telling me I'm wrong one way or the other. AMEN SISTER! Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 "When you point your finger 'cause your plan fell through, got three more fingers pointing back at you." i'm not pointing any fingers. i think it's cool. Link to post Share on other sites
John Smith Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I'm still surprised that the Keating Five is barely even mentioned about McCain's past, and then only a footnote -- something he was liberated from like his POW confinement. One can say it was nearly 20 years ago, but that is still far more recent than his POW experience. Listen now, he was a POW in Vietf'nNam for 5 1/2 years, you can't expect him to get out of prison and start making all the right decision can you? Being a POW while in the service of your country affords you the luxury of being able to screw up occasionally like with the S&L Scandal and still get a free pass. Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 yes, because that's what republicans do. they abandon their loved ones in times of need.no they don't. they just abandon other people in times of need. Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 i agree that bristol exercised bad judgment by getting pregnant. i just don't agree that it disqualifies her mother.Considering one of her primary values to the campaign (remember, experience is off-limits) is her "family values," and appeal to Christian conservatives (and, physicially, to Jules), then her family values and teachings of abstinence over birth control and abortion is circumspect. Link to post Share on other sites
quarter23cd Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Ah, Culture Wars, how I've missed ye. Whew, for a while there I thought this campaign was going to be about actual issues facing this country that are possible to make progress on (war, economy, energy, healthcare) rather than focus on intractable moral/political/theological stances that aren't going to be solved by the next presidency anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 I didn't think the Palin pick was all that great until lately. When I see that people on this board can't quit talking about it (good & BAD) not to mention the media (papers/blogs/networks) it seems to be a wonderful pick. I truly believe the more shit talked aboiut her the more it helps McCain. If I was a democrat I would be pissed as hell about this. This takes away from Obama and the stance he takes on the issues. Whatever the hell they are. Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 no they don't. they just abandon other people in times of need. ZING! Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 No the alternative is to live your life the best way you can and not to try and live up to some impossible standards.i don't consider keeping your dick out of an intern's mouth or not getting pregnant at 17 to be impossible standards. I haven't killed anyone, cheated on anyone or lied on my taxes nor have I preached to anyone that they should do the same. Live your life the way you want, within the law of the land, or course, and I'll do the same.you don't want to "preach" to someone not to kill people? that's just them living their life? damn, this is worse than i thought. Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 right, so the alternative seems to be to have no moral standards at all. then, even if you're married, you're free to do whatever feels good and leave the stains wherever you please.i'm not even done reading this page, but really. the black&white thinking is astounding. Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Considering one of her primary values to the campaign (remember, experience is off-limits) is her "family values," and appeal to Christian conservatives (and, physicially, to Jules), then her family values and teachings of abstinence over birth control and abortion is circumspect.do you really think bristol doesn't know what birth control is? that's all abstinence is, is a form of birth control. obviously, she ignored it. who's to say that if her mom handed her a box of condoms everytime she went out that she would've used them? Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 you don't want to "preach" to someone not to kill people? that's just them living their life? damn, this is worse than i thought. Way to not (please tell me, deliberately?) get the point. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Ah, Culture Wars, how I've missed ye. Whew, for a while there I thought this campaign was going to be about actual issues facing this country that are possible to make progress on (war, economy, energy, healthcare) rather than focus on intractable moral/political/theological stances that aren't going to be solved by the next presidency anyway.Well said. Link to post Share on other sites
kwall Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 i'm not even done reading this page, but really. the black&white thinking is astounding.agreed. Link to post Share on other sites
watch me fall Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 you don't want to "preach" to someone not to kill people? that's just them living their life? damn, this is worse than i thought. I guess you completely missed " within the law of the land" part of my post. Link to post Share on other sites
sweetheart-mine Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Listen now, he was a POW in Vietf'nNam for 5 1/2 years, you can't expect him to get out of prison and start making all the right decision can you? Being a POW while in the service of your country affords you the luxury of being able to screw up occasionally like with the S&L Scandal and still get a free pass.that's right, and it also gives you the right to be president, period. Link to post Share on other sites
Central Scrutinizer Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Ah, Culture Wars, how I've missed ye. Whew, for a while there I thought this campaign was going to be about actual issues facing this country that are possible to make progress on (war, economy, energy, healthcare) rather than focus on intractable moral/political/theological stances that aren't going to be solved by the next presidency anyway.This is an over simplification, but isn't this election, at it's heart, a culture war? Family values, protectionism, free trade, personal debt, loss of the middle class? Link to post Share on other sites
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