badger Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 But this is suggesting that W(TA) will be thought of as a greater Wilco record in the future. It MAY sound a little better in the future, but the thing that I think it lacks....cohesiveness...won't ever improve. I'd say the first half of W(TA) is great. The 2nd half is mediocre at best. But that's exactly my point. After the initial euphoria associated with hearing SBS, I concluded that the first half was great and the second half was well, mediocre at best. Over time, for a number of reasons, mainly I think, hearing great live versions of the initially-assessed mediocre songs, I grew to like the second half a lot more. As a result, for me, and just for now, SBS is a more cohesive album than W(TA). However, I am fully prepared to accept that W(TA) may achieve the same feat in the future. Of course, that's just my opinion and it may not work for you in the same way, but that's the whole point - how it's thought of is our personal property. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I've been listening to THE ALBUM lately and enjoying it quite a bit. I might prefer the second half. It all sounds good to me, though I keep asking myself at the end of "One Wing" why they resolve on that chord. Seems, I don't know, almost like a stinger note, which is...tacky? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I've been listening to THE ALBUM lately and enjoying it quite a bit. I might prefer the second half. It all sounds good to me, though I keep asking myself at the end of "One Wing" why they resolve on that chord. Seems, I don't know, almost like a stinger note, which is...tacky? Tacky? Stinger Note? Do you like the song or not? That should be your most important concern. Remember Forget the Flower? Heavy Metal Drummer? Nothingsevergonnastandinmywayagain? They have done the 'hard ending' (it's late and I can't remember the correct musical expression) to great effect since the begining. Enjoy the music if you're so inclined. Don't worry about the minutae. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Tacky? Stinger Note? Do you like the song or not? That should be your most important concern. Remember Forget the Flower? Heavy Metal Drummer? Nothingsevergonnastandinmywayagain? They have done the 'hard ending' (it's late and I can't remember the correct musical expression) to great effect since the begining. Enjoy the music if you're so inclined. Don't worry about the minutae. I like the song. I don't think I like the chord it ends on, it seems out of place with the rest of the song. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moss Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I like the song. I don't think I like the chord it ends on, it seems out of place with the rest of the song. Geez, now I have to dig it out and see what you are talking about. I happen to love song minutae. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Stinger Note? Do you like the song or not? That should be your most important concern. Enjoy the music if you're so inclined. Don't worry about the minutae. How is the climax/resolution of a song minutae? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 How is the climax/resolution of a song minutae? It's the ending, not the climax. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Okay, so if a song has a beginning, middle and an end, he doesn't like 1/3 of the song. How is that minutae? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Pitchfork's year-end lists are going up this week. 100-51 of their Top Tracks of 2009 is up; if Julian Casablancas made the list and Wilco doesn't, I'm finally cancelling my subscription. Fraid you might have to cancel. WTA was shut out of their songs and albums list. --Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Okay, so if a song has a beginning, middle and an end, he doesn't like 1/3 of the song. How is that minutae?The final chord is 1/3 of the song? So, the song is 5 seconds long? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 The final chord is 1/3 of the song? So, the song is 5 seconds long? No, the end is 1/3. The other two thirds are beginning and middle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Song minutiae matters if it matters to you. Why put someone down for caring about it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Song minutiae matters if it matters to you. Why put someone down for caring about it? Because he disagrees with me!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 So, the consensus is there is no consensus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 So, the consensus is there is no consensus.Yes. This thread had as much chance of attaining its goals as Woodrow Wilson did at Versailles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost of Electricity Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 So, the consensus is there is no consensus.I disagree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Song minutiae matters if it matters to you. Why put someone down for caring about it? behave stew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basil II Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 geez..... -Robert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Who Dat??? Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I like the album...i agree in saying time is needed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I listened to it the other night for the first time in months.. Enjoyed it very much actually.. Still the weakest record in their catalog (and yes that includes SBS and AM) in my opinion, but it's still a solid album. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Who Dat??? Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Yeah I mean its not a step forward like the others, but I really can't complain because there are some very enjoyable songs out there that would classify as the very best work of lesser bands Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 behave stew Behave? What? Fuck you for the millionth time Crow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Behave? What? Fuck you for the millionth time Crow. You really remind me of my favorite uncle who would go from smiling and laughing to DEFCON 1 with the gentlest of teasing. Proportionality dude. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 So you weren't seriously telling me to behave? I guess it's your avatar that tricks me - I always hear that dude, who has no sense of humor, saying all your words. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 So you weren't seriously telling me to behave? I guess it's your avatar that tricks me - I always hear that dude, who has no sense of humor, saying all your words. That's the way it should be. I picture you talking to a large, invisible rabbit or snogging with Grace Kelly (lucky bastard). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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