cryptique Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Totally screwed. Horrible call. I'm speechless. Link to post Share on other sites
Smokestack Joe Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 it wasnt even close. did you hear Jim Joyce's comments after the game? he was real upset with himself and totally admitted that it was the wrong call. pure shame....1880 was the last year where there were 2 perfect games in one season, 20 Perfect Games all time Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 You wonder if MLB will reverse the call retroactively. They did it for George Brett w/ his "illegal" pine tar bat way back when... this is a much more valid case for reversal. Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 You wonder if MLB will reverse the call retroactively. They did it for George Brett w/ his "illegal" pine tar bat way back when... this is a much more valid case for reversal.No. They won't. The Brett incident was an appealed game based on a rule book interpretation. A play on the bases is a judgement call, which a game cannot be appealed upon. There were 28 batters in this game and that can't be erased from history. At best this will be an unifficial perfect game as far as fans & players are concerned. MLB has no method of undoing field judgement calls and has no interest in going down that road. Sometimes people get screwed and unfortunately that's the case here. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 So I kept hearing people say "You have to call him out there, no matter what" last night. Do we agree with this? I mean, what if he had actually been safe by the tiniest margins and he called him out. Nobody's is incensed, because the Umpire did the "right thing", even if that would have meant he had blown a call just as badly, context notwithstanding, right? Joyce absolutely botched the call last night. But I have a problem with people saying that if it's close, call him out there. Aren't we fucking with the integrity of the perfect game by saying that? Doesn't that cheapen it? Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 I havent heard a single person say that, and if I did, I would ignore him/her. Seriously -- that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You call him out if he's out. And you call him safe if he's safe. And if you screw it up, it happens. You are human, and this is baseball, and that's what makes baseball better than every other sport. Yeah. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 I've heard a lot of people say that you should "give him the benefit of the doubt". It's dumb. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 I've heard a lot of people say that you should "give him the benefit of the doubt". It's dumb.Agreed 100%. I haven't seen the play. I assume it's on youtube or something? Link to post Share on other sites
Smokestack Joe Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 i understand the 'benefit of the doubt' comment in order to achieve history but i disagree and it is ridiculous. Missed calls has been a part of baseball since the beginning, it is a part of the game. Galarraga/Austin Jackson/Manager Leyland all commented after the game saying the same thing, he made a mistake, human error, part of the game, etc... the whole play looked shaky from the start. Galarraga looked hesitant getting to first while Cabrera was far from first base, it wasnt his greatest throw to first, and the Cleveland kid had every motivation to run his fastest. Joyce was in a good spot/had a good angle. It was a bang-bang play. with the naked eye, it is hard to get accurate, 100% all the time. obviously it is magnified considering the history that could have been made. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Cabrera, being something of a plodder, had no business ranging that far to his right to make the play. I get that he really want to make the play, but he made it closer than it should have been, all things considered. Yeah, he ultimately made the play and the ump blew the call, but if the runner gets up the line 1/10 of a second faster, there's no call for the ump to blow, and Cabrera would've been the goat. Baseball's a funny game. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 It was a bang-bang play. with the naked eye, it is hard to get accurate, 100% all the time....except that in baseball terms, it really wasn't very close. Any major-league-level umpire should get that play right 100% of the time. These guys are professionals and are trained to get those plays right. Obviously bad calls do happen from time to time, but this one wasn't just bad, it was inexplicably, unbelievably, inexcusably, absolutely horrible. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Did you really think it was safe without a doubt in real time? Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Agreed 100%. I haven't seen the play. I assume it's on youtube or something? If you haven't yet it's linked on the front page of ESPN.com. Interesting story from this morning's fallout Denkinger, happy he's no longer associated with the biggest cock up in modern umpiring, supports replay Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 In Joyce's defense all he learned about umpiring came from this videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-S-eeInJVk Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Man, I always wanted an Angels/Spiwack jersey as a kid. Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Apparently, MLB is still debating over whether or not to overturn Joyce's call. Full AP story here. Link to post Share on other sites
MattZ Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Wow. Talk about a slippery slope. An awful idea. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 A slippery slope to be sure, but this is a unique case where the blown call happened on what would have been the last play of the game. That one call goes the other way and the game is over. Ultimately I think I agree that the slippery-slope implications are too risky to make reversing the call after the fact a good idea ... but deep down, I kind of hope Selig does it anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
thejokeexplained Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Apparently, MLB is still debating over whether or not to overturn Joyce's call. Full AP story here. i wonder throughout the history of the game; before TV, how many perfect games or no hitters were either compromised or saved because of a umpire error? if replay is ever used to overturn calls of this nature, a big fat asterisk needs to be added. Link to post Share on other sites
u2roolz Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 It's a shame that Armando is paying dearly for Andres' (his father) sins, such as banging Jim Joyce's wife in the Funicular at Parc D'Olympic.They call him "The Big Cat." Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 It's a shame that Armando is paying dearly for Andres' (his father) sins, such as banging Jim Joyce's wife in the Funicular at Parc D'Olympic.They call him "The Big Cat." Link to post Share on other sites
rareair Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 So I kept hearing people say "You have to call him out there, no matter what" last night. Do we agree with this? I mean, what if he had actually been safe by the tiniest margins and he called him out. Nobody's is incensed, because the Umpire did the "right thing", even if that would have meant he had blown a call just as badly, context notwithstanding, right? Joyce absolutely botched the call last night. But I have a problem with people saying that if it's close, call him out there. Aren't we fucking with the integrity of the perfect game by saying that? Doesn't that cheapen it? tim kurkjian made the exact point you did last night. If he is safe, he is safe. unfortunately, this was not even a close call. Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Cabrera, being something of a plodder, had no business ranging that far to his right to make the play. I get that he really want to make the play, but he made it closer than it should have been, all things considered. Yeah, he ultimately made the play and the ump blew the call, but if the runner gets up the line 1/10 of a second faster, there's no call for the ump to blow, and Cabrera would've been the goat. Baseball's a funny game. Very good eye, bobs. I'm not surprised this has been lost in the hysteria to bury Joyce, but it's spot on. --Mike Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Kudos to Joyce for at least admitting he blew the call. http://wxyt.cbslocal.com/2010/06/03/jim-joyce-right-after-he-robbed-armando-galarraga-of-a-perfect-game/ Link to post Share on other sites
radiatortunes Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 You call him out if he's out. And you call him safe if he's safe. And if you screw it up, it happens. You are human, and this is baseball, and that's what makes baseball better than every other sport. This. From what I've seen and read (which admittedly, isn't a ton) almost everyone involved has reminded me why this is such a great game: Galarraga, what a class act, showing composure and remaining calm; Joyce, obviously contrite (devastated, really) and owning up to his error; Leyland, actually urging Tigers fans to cheer Joyce today and not boo him. Maybe I'm trying too hard to put a positive spin on an unfortunate turn of events? Link to post Share on other sites
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