Ted Kennedy to be succeeded by a toolbag

[bobbob1313]

I'm surprised at how dissapointed I am by this.

 

I guess it's part that I just dislike Brown and part that I dislike the idea that those two were the best people possible for Kennedy's seat. It's an embarrassment to his memory that Coakley and Brown were the two people who were in the running.

 

Shame.

[WilcoFan]

Yeah. This one's from my sister's husband (or maybe her, they share the account):

WE WON!!!!!!!!!! Great job everyone on helping with the campaign. Massachusetts is definitely ready for a change. True change will be coming shortly. Hold tight for the "Miracle of Massachusetts" will be set in motion very shortly.

 

 

I don't know what's more pathetic A or B:

 

A: "You got that ball, now keep that ball and go go....GO SCOTT BROWN"

 

OR

 

B: did chicken in the crock pot today and had an awesome burrito dinner. Love planning ahead!

[watch me fall]

Yeah, I just hid anyone on Facebook who celebrated the win. "Take that, Pelosi!" was the final straw.

[bobbob1313]

When did people my age become so conservative?

 

Fucking Ayn Rand.

[Dude]

So is the health care reform bill dead now?

[bobbob1313]

So is the health care reform bill dead now?

 

Fox News pronounced it dead at 9:39.

[Wilco Worshipper]

Yeah, I just hid anyone on Facebook who celebrated the win. "Take that, Pelosi!" was the final straw.

And, I thank YOU for that!

[SeattleC]

Interesting chess match, but it’s now checkmate on this special election. A year and a half ago, I never expected Obama to win, but his organization pulled it off, with no small thanks to Palin, who in some ways was Obama's ‘Ross Perot’ gift horse. At least, unlike Clinton, Obama won with more than 50% of the vote. I just hope where this all goes from here is good for the country. The fact is, it’s a lot harder to govern wisely than to get elected. Hear that Mr. Brown?

[u2roolz]

To merge the 2 biggest threads this week..I posted this in the other thread...I find it somewhat entertaining

 

Irony: MA boy Jay Leno gets pre-empted by MA Senatorial Race coverage on local NBC affiliate.

LOL.

It'd be even better if the coverage goes on until Jimmy Fallon is supposed to be on, since Conan is also obviously from MA too.

[auctioneer69]

Yeah, I just hid anyone on Facebook who celebrated the win. "Take that, Pelosi!" was the final straw.

 

Terribly depressing to say the least. A protest vote but one that might stop the best chance of health-care reform in my lifetime dead in its tracks. I have a good friend who is a Republican and who is also uninsurable if he ever loses his work-based insurance. I could say nothing to convince him that the putative health-care bill might be good for him and millions of others. I saw someone recently I work with who has largely been absent from her own business for the last 18 months. Why? Because her father has cancer and has no insurance. She spends most of her time working with hospitals, doctors, drug-companies and non-profit groups trying to arrange for the treatment for her father which would be an automatic for those who have insurance. Yet again people seem to have voted against their own interests. I laughed when Fox News described health-care reform as a government take over of health-care. This is a bill that has no public option, actually cuts existing Government programs (Medicare and Medicaid) and which is based on the simple premise that everyone should be both required to have insurance and that everyone will have to be covered by insurance companies. And one, unlike Bush's unfunded Drug Benefit bill, which would actually have to paid for by a combination of cuts and new revenue sources. But I guess people have a right to be angry. Without a strong Government response (initiated by George Bush to his credit) to the financial crisis we would have felt vindicated with countless big banks out of business, the global economic system in ruin and unemployment closer to 25-30 % than 10%. Oh and our manufacturing base a husk with Chrysler and GM and their countless suppliers consigned to the graveyard. But hey we'd be able to cling to the idea of government always being bad and those wicked, wicked suits in Wall Street might be as destitute as the rest of us.

[SeattleC]

Terribly depressing to say the least. A protest vote but one that might stop the best chance of health-care reform in my lifetime dead in its tracks.

 

 

Where is the fairy dust when we need it? (Jon Stewart/Larry Wilmore were quite good about that subject tonight)

 

I'd like my government services for free, thank you very much, just don't raise my taxes. I'm looking forward to seeing all the state parks here close for example; recreation, who needs it?

 

What a weird time and place we live in. Just don't get lose your job and decide to break a leg anytime soon. And just forget about preexisting conditions.

[OOO]

I guess the idea now is that the House can pass the bill that the Senate passed and then it doesn't need to go back to the Senate.

[mountain bed]

I'm surprised at how dissapointed I am by this.

 

I guess it's part that I just dislike Brown and part that I dislike the idea that those two were the best people possible for Kennedy's seat. It's an embarrassment to his memory that Coakley and Brown were the two people who were in the running.

 

Shame.

Yep.

 

Nice 1 year anniversary present you just gave the President, Massachusetts. And way to honor the man who worked his whole life for fair and equitable health care reform by electing a teabagger sympathizer as his successor.

 

I know when this thread started I said "I don't see this happening" and I was wrong. Evidently, so was the Coakley campaign. They violated rule #1 - NEVER take the voters for granted. Christ.

 

Either of the two aren't worthy.

[ih8music]

I guess the idea now is that the House can pass the bill that the Senate passed and then it doesn't need to go back to the Senate.

Yep. We'll see how much the House wants to get something passed, as their only realistic option is to pass the Senate bill as-is.

 

I suppose they could try to race it thru before the election results are certified, but I suspect that would go over really, really poorly with the avg person.

[Kevan]

Im generally a conservative person in many ways, but I recognize the (idyllic)necessity of health care for all. If Kennedy's former seat sinks health care it is a modern day Greek tragedy of epic proportions. Literally, it'd almost be cool to see, if only because you'd never see something as hugely ironic as this again in your life (if only Kennedy were still alive and could react!) Tragic!

 

All that said, I don't think this sinks health care, and thank God for that. If the house has to pass this immediately without changes, I really believe they will bite the bullet and do just that. However, this guy could go unseated for as long as 15 days, per Mass. election law (if what I read today was correct), so they could hustle through the House, back to the Senate... wait, nevermind, not enough time for that whole deal. Even if there were, Senator's have been seated without certificate of election by sympathetic colleagues before, and if that didn't happen this time and the House sent the bill back to the Senate and they passed it 23rd hour I would bet my left arm that the Rep.'s would take it all the way up the chain of the judicial system, where a conservative majority reigns.

 

ah, anyway, I love this stuff.

[auctioneer69]

Im generally a conservative person in many ways, but I recognize the (idyllic)necessity of health care for all. If Kennedy's former seat sinks health care it is a modern day Greek tragedy of epic proportions. Literally, it'd almost be cool to see, if only because you'd never see something as hugely ironic as this again in your life (if only Kennedy were still alive and could react!) Tragic!

 

All that said, I don't think this sinks health care, and thank God for that. If the house has to pass this immediately without changes, I really believe they will bite the bullet and do just that. However, this guy could go unseated for as long as 15 days, per Mass. election law (if what I read today was correct), so they could hustle through the House, back to the Senate... wait, nevermind, not enough time for that whole deal. Even if there were, Senator's have been seated without certificate of election by sympathetic colleagues before, and if that didn't happen this time and the House sent the bill back to the Senate and they passed it 23rd hour I would bet my left arm that the Rep.'s would take it all the way up the chain of the judicial system, where a conservative majority reigns.

 

ah, anyway, I love this stuff.

 

I think health-care in it's current form is dead. Let's face it the Republicans have zero-interest now in anything apart from lower taxes and smaller government. They certainly have no interest in health-care reform. If anything, they will swing further to the right to meet the populist mood. As for the idyllic necessity of health-care for all, why are we the only country in the Western Hemisphere without it? I come from Britain whose NHS isn't perfect but still provides a superb safety net for every person in the country. Fox loves to lambast it yet never mention the fact that while private health insurance is freely available in Britain only a tiny minority feel the need to buy it.

[ikol]

When did people my age become so conservative?

 

When I was your age.

[isadorah]

I think health-care in it's current form is dead. Let's face it the Republicans have zero-interest now in anything apart from lower taxes and smaller government.

 

which is really interesting since under W, they didn't really seem to care about smaller government. I also heard the American people are tired of runaway deficits and bank bail outs...both items that happened under W and were inherited. Yet there was little outcry then. I think congress is trying to shove through a health care plan to say they passed a health care plan and what the American people are actually frustrated with is the content of that plan. It is a weak watered down piece of legislation that will do some good, but at the end of the day fixes nothing. So you have half the people that don't want health care, and half the people that want real health care not watered down BS, and a democratic party that has no clue how to run an election or benefit from having a 60 vote majority or the use and meaning of SPIN. ah goodtimes. if any party could blow it, the dems will definitely blow it.

[watch me fall]

And, I thank YOU for that!

 

 

I wouldn't mind it so much if they just weren't so obnoxious about it and knowing they could give a rat's ass about Brown himself. One of my friends posted "Woo hoo! I'm moving to Massachusetts now!". I responded "Can I help you pack?". I probably shouldn't have done that.

[LouieB]

How quickly things turn. Not so long ago the Republicans were finished. Now the media is saying Obama is finished.

 

LouieB

[Sir Stewart]

This is probably a blessing in disguise for the Democrats in the medium run. By November, the savvy ones will have changed their pitch up enough to satisfy the seething independents.

[LouieB]

This is probably a blessing in disguise for the Democrats in the medium run. By November, the savvy ones will have changed their pitch up enough to satisfy the seething independents.

What do they want? Seriously!! Meanwhile the further left of Obama is fed up.

 

LouieB

[Sir Stewart]

What do they want? Seriously!! Meanwhile the further left of Obama is fed up.

 

The general mood I'm hearing up here is that the bailout failed, that healthcare would mean more money out pockets, and it has to stop before the gov't takes over everything. It's moved beyond the fringe: Mass is made up of mostly of independent voters, and it seems most of those people darkened a circle for Brown yesterday.

[Good Old Neon]

This is taken from an article on Salon, in reference to why folks, many of them independents, voted for Brown:

 

"We watched what was happening in Washington and just saw this insane spending," Charlotte Mastroianni, a retired nurse who attended the Brown party with her husband, explained.

 

Mastroianni described herself as an independent voter, but said she hadn't been involved in politics for 30 years. But last year, she and her husband joined Glen Beck's 9/12 Project, traveling to Washington for the September rally.

 

"They're just remarkable, remarkable people. Wonderful people," Mastroianni said of her fellow 9/12 participants. "But unfortunately it got lousy press because of some crazies."

 

When they saw polls showing a surprisingly close race in Massachusetts three weeks ago, Mastroianni said, she and her husband drove to Wrentham -- Brown's hometown -- and volunteered to do phone banking at his office.

 

Heavy spending by Washington, President Obama's healthcare push, and the administration's decision to try some accused terrorists in civilian court were -- by far -- the issues cited most frequently by the Brown crowd.

 

"He's going to keep my country safe for my children," Doherty, the machine operator with the hard hat, said.

 

"We don't want socialism," Mastroianni said. "We don't want to be Europe. The politicians want to, but we don't. It's a nice place to visit. But we don't want to be them."

 

http://salon.com/news/scott_brown/index.html?story=/news/feature/2010/01/19/coakley_brown

 

These sentiments are so divorced from reality, that they may as well be talking about retaking the country from the hands (suckers?) of space aliens. The Beck/Palin/Limbaugh/Hannity-ization of this country is complete. We’re no longer voting according to real issues and events, no, we’re voting based on Roger Ailes right-wing fever dreams and outright bullshit.

[uncool2pillow]

I am having fun watching my partisan friends on both sides go apoplectic over this.