bleedorange Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'm starting to wonder why we even bother to elect Congressmen. Or why we concern ourselves with whether an elected official swears to uphold the Constitution. Why make laws and have a process for their passage if they can just be ignored by the whims of one man? Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 You betcha. I knew you were a Palin supporter. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'm starting to wonder why we even bother to elect Congressmen. Or why we concern ourselves with whether an elected official swears to uphold the Constitution. Why make laws and have a process for their passage if they can just be ignored by the whims of one man? So back in 2009 or so they tried to pass something called the DREAM Act. This actually was set to pass the Senate, but it was block via filibuster by a handful of Republican senators. The same thing you said about one man, could be said about those republican senators. Or really in in politics in general. The political process is messy crude and nasty. People will get and use power to suit their needs. It sucks, but it happens. It is not like this does not have precedent. Every "modern" president has selectively enforced immigration policy. I am glad finally Obama is saying f you guys, I am gonna do what I want. And yes, when W did something like this (which he did frequently) I was first in line to say that guy is abusing power. But my guy is power now there. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 So back in 2009 or so they tried to pass something called the DREAM Act. This actually was set to pass the Senate, but it was block via filibuster by a handful of Republican senators. The same thing you said about one man, could be said about those republican senators. Or really in in politics in general. The political process is messy crude and nasty. People will get and use power to suit their needs. It sucks, but it happens. It is not like this does not have precedent. Every "modern" president has selectively enforced immigration policy. I am glad finally Obama is saying f you guys, I am gonna do what I want. And yes, when W did something like this (which he did frequently) I was first in line to say that guy is abusing power. But my guy is power now there. Thanks for the history lesson. It might be helpful to not think you're always smarter than everyone else. Your last paragraph is alarming. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Thanks for the history lesson. It might be helpful to not think you're always smarter than everyone else. Your last paragraph is alarming. Well being the smartest guy in the room has its pitfalls. Bleed, I am sorry if you took my tone as condescending, I didn't mean to do that. I was merely trying to point out that in the past this has been attempted and been blocked via filibuster. I am so sick and tired of people not looking at was done in the past, so I am resigned to the fact they hey the only way to get shit done in this country is to bypass the normal means of legislation. So I am to the point where I say fuck it, the country is broken beyond repair, the two sides will never agree on anything, let alone get any meaningful law passed. In order to get anything done we need to use these back door methods. It is unfortunate. I have no faith in our political process to actually help anyone anymore. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I'm starting to wonder why we even bother to elect Congressmen. Or why we concern ourselves with whether an elected official swears to uphold the Constitution. Why make laws and have a process for their passage if they can just be ignored by the whims of one man? How is use of executive privilege in this case unconstitutional? Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Thanks for the history lesson. It might be helpful to not think you're always smarter than everyone else. Your last paragraph is alarming. Alarming...but fairly commonplace. Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Well being the smartest guy in the room has its pitfalls. Bleed, I am sorry if you took my tone as condescending, I didn't mean to do that. I was merely trying to point out that in the past this has been attempted and been blocked via filibuster. I am so sick and tired of people not looking at was done in the past, so I am resigned to the fact they hey the only way to get shit done in this country is to bypass the normal means of legislation. So I am to the point where I say fuck it, the country is broken beyond repair, the two sides will never agree on anything, let alone get any meaningful law passed. In order to get anything done we need to use these back door methods. It is unfortunate. I have no faith in our political process to actually help anyone anymore. All hail the imperial Presidency.I'm not going to break Godwin's law, but these opinions are, at best, troubling. Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Back door methods, also known as corruption. Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 So let's all agree that we need to abolish (or significantly redefine & weaken) the Senate filibuster rules so we can get out of the situation we're currently in where all legislation & all appointments require an often impossible 60 votes in the Senate to pass. That was never the intent for how the filibuster was to be used. The DREAM act passed the House fairly easily and had 55 votes in the Senate. It should be the law of the land today. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Exactly, and the use of Executive Privilege by Obama is no more shocking than a bureaucratic blockade by the Senate. At some point legislation went from checks and balances to blocks and tricks. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Is the DREAM act not a reward for entering into this country illegally? Kinda seems like it. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 do you guys realize why Issa is asking for these docmuents?? Is the DREAM act not a reward for entering into this country illegally? Kinda seems like it. are you an American Indian?? Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Is the DREAM act not a reward for entering into this country illegally? Kinda seems like it. Not to me. First of all, it would have only applied to people who were kids (under 16) when their parents brought them into the country illegally. And it would only apply to people who've been here at least 5 years, graduated high school, gone to college or served in the military, and had a clean criminal record. It's not a reward -- it's saying if you were brought here as a kid and have been a good citizen in every other way since then, we're not going to punish you for the actions of your parents. Unless you consider the absence of an unearned punishment a reward. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 How is use of executive privilege in this case unconstitutional? You're mixing up issues. Obama has simply decided not to enforce the law on this particular issue of illegal immigrants. Personally, I like the DREAM Act. However, it is not the law of the land. And Obama has merely decided that he thinks it's best to ignore this particular law and circumvent Congress by not enforcing it. I think that's dangerous and unconstitutional regardless of the fact that I agree with him. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 are you an American Indian??I wish! Then I would have had a lot of help going to college! But I see where you're going with this and sorry....it's just not reality. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 And Obama has merely decided that he thinks it's best to ignore this particular law and circumvent Congress by not enforcing it. How is that different from law enforcement agencies not enforcing those stupid laws on the books? (you really want to see some dumb laws go here); Obama is prioritizing enforcement (and in essence saving taxpayer money). It is not like he is saying immigration officers won't arrest illegal immigrants. He saying if you where brought to this country (when you where 15 or less) by you parents, and you are a good person (no crimes, etc.), they won't arrest and deport you. And yes I think deporting individuals who are covered by this change in policy is a dumb law (or portion of a law). Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 do you guys realize why Issa is asking for these docmuents??Because he's a hyper-partisan douche rocket? Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Because he's a hyper-partisan douche rocket? his hair looked good for his big day today. I heard Dan Burton is really upset and wants to get to the bottom of this BWAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAA talk about deja vu Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I wish! Then I would have had a lot of help going to college! But I see where you're going with this and sorry....it's just not reality. whats not reality?? my forefathers came over in the 1600s. there were no laws. you got off a boat. there has been discrimination against immigrants since the founding of the nation. now that the immigrants are dark skinned its time to make some laws. ive yet to EVER hear ONE conservative tell me any decent answer to health care or immigration. And thats in DC with friends that worked all over the Hill Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 You can't make this stuff up. http://www.barackobama.com/obama-event-registry/ Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Can I clarify something with two questions (for any who care to answer): 1. Are you passionate about Mitt Romney? 2. Do you think you will vote for him? Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 You can't make this stuff up. http://www.barackoba...event-registry/ Is there an option if we want our money to go directly towards supplying guns to Mexican drug lords? I must have missed that part of Obama's campaign pledges. Ahhh, back to throwing my vote away for a 3rd party candidate... Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Can I clarify something with two questions (for any who care to answer): 1. Are you passionate about Mitt Romney? 2. Do you think you will vote for him? 1. No 2. Yes Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 2. Yes Thanks for biting (looking at your dog picture). Can you think of a succinct explanation for why you will vote for Romney? Link to post Share on other sites
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