rareair Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Presented by who? "tax" was not in the law. the solicitor general in arguing the case Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 the damn republicans keep saying over and over that 60 percent of Americans are against the affordable care act. they are taking the 30 percent of americans (republicans) and the 30 percent of americans (progressives) that wanted single payer and dont think the bill has done enough and keep adding them together to come up with the horseshit. so lame and boring Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 It just might be the first time in the history of American politics that a candidate has made a campaign promise that would be very hard to actually implement. But the thing is, ending ACA is Romney's central point in this current news cycle. I want someone to ask him, how he is going to repeal ACA. The entire press is so feckless. I wish they would put all politicians to task on their promises. Just one simple question, "How?" Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 It's a bad question. It's been answered plainly here. A better question would be why put so much effort trying to repeal a federal law so similar to one you promoted in Massachusetts? Or why do you want to completely repeal a law when you have supported so many of its individual tenets? Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 It's a bad question. It's been answered plainly here. A better question would be why put so much effort trying to repeal a federal law so similar to one you promoted in Massachusetts? Or why do you want to completely repeal a law when you have supported so many of its individual tenets? Since Mitt has distanced himself entirely from his more centrist policies, I doubt he would ever come close to answering any of those questions (although really good ones). Mitt seems hell bent on reversing anything that Obama has done, I want to know how he plans on doing it. Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Interesting article here. Surprised (if it's true) how hard Kennedy was lobbying Roberts to join the dissent. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/01/509359/supreme-court-springs-a-leak-leaks-to-conservative-pundits-may-have-started-more-than-a-month-ago/ Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Oh! Ok so it's a tax. Hahaha Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Two points that seem striking about Romney: - As pointed out, running against the ACA would be idiotic since he kind of invented it. - No one on here who's mentioned voting for him seems to have any passion for him. In fact I'm not convinced that Jules, or Bleedorange even really want to vote for him. He's that tepid and meaningless of a politician. He's like a Mormon cyborg with a handsome face that just absorbs whatever crap might poll well and then pukes it into a microphone while he sounds uncomfortable. I'm not even sure if Romney has won his own vote. This one struck me: Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Either way I agree with Jules, Romney does not care about ACA in so much as disagreeing with it will help him get elected. What exactly DOES Mitt care about anyway, besides BEING President. I think that's about it. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Oh! Ok so it's a tax. Hahaha I love how I am now seeing ads calling ACA the biggest tax increase ever (or some crap). The tax is only for those who choose not to have insurance. If you have insurance, you ain't gonna get taxed. And yes, anything paid to the IRS is a tax. Also I love how the GOP sees the mandate as an attack on personal freedom. You know what you still have the choice to not buy health insurance, you just have to pay a tax to the Government to make that choice. I have a choice to pull money from my 401k before I am 59 1/2. If I so choose I have to pay a penalty (aka tax) to the IRS. The government can't make anyone do anything. However if you break a law you have to pay the price. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 In fact I'm not convinced that Jules, or Bleedorange even really want to vote for him. That's not fair. I don't want to do anything. Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 The Dude abides. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Interesting article in Vanity Fair about Mitt and his offshore holdings. http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts It is noted in the article many times, that Mitt hasn't done anything illegal, but man it sure looks shady and slimy. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 so another call by Obama to extend the Bush era tax cuts on income less than 250K*. and another round of punditry saying class warfare, rich make too much, etc. Personally I want to see the Bush era tax cuts for income less than 250K kept in place. I would also like to see an exemption for small businesses (which the remove of the tax cuts would effected nearly 900K). Congress ain't gonna act on this before the election. So it is just another talking point. *not the tax cut would affect income made over 250K. So if you make 275K only 25K would be taxed higher. I am sure the GOP will try to spin this as a giant tax increase for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I would like all the tax cuts repealed. Let's be responsible for a change. Link to post Share on other sites
Skian Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 It would be nice to vote for some one I believe in. Instead I just play the game of voting against the other guy. I wish Obama's 1st term was more impressive. I'll vote for him again cause I am not voting for the other guy. But what about the libertian canidate? The 3rd party needs a bigger boost. Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I would like all the tax cuts repealed. Let's be responsible for a change.Responsible for what exactly? A poorly managed budget? Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Responsible for what exactly? A poorly managed budget? A poorly managed budget and a dysfunctional political system. Imagine any politician getting elected by saying, "I want the Bush era tax cuts to expire." Unfortunately with our current political climate, I see our economy getting a lot worse before it gets better. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Imagine any politician getting elected by saying, "I want the Bush era tax cuts to expire."You do realize that is exactly what Obama did right? Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 You do realize that is exactly what Obama did right?For those with incomes >$250,000. Not exactly "exactly". Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I was pretty sure he campaigned on letting them expire and then went back on it. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I think Mitt Romney is like JFK and Abraham Lincoln all rolled up into one. I am proud to support him! Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Unfortunately with our current political climate, I see our economy getting a lot worse before it gets better.In my perverse moments I would like to see Mitt Romney get elected just to see how badly he can screw things up instead. That people want to ramp up more Reganomics is an amazing thing. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I think Mitt Romney is like JFK and Abraham Lincoln all rolled up into one. I am proud to support him! Understatement of the year. I was pretty sure he campaigned on letting them expire and then went back on it. show your work. Also the Bush tax cuts where never intended to be permanent. They were suppose to stimulate the economy, and we all know how that went. Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Understatement of the year. show your work. Also the Bush tax cuts where never intended to be permanent. They were suppose to stimulate the economy, and we all know how that went. The Bush tax cuts were maybe secondarily meant to stimulate the economy, but the primary purpose was to give the citizens some of that short lived surplus back. Link to post Share on other sites
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