Mr. Heartbreak Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I think I put this in the wrong thread:Ron Paul Gets Glitter Bombedhttp://www.huffingto..._n_1260435.html Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Sparky whats wrong? The President doesnt love peace and liberty enough for you? Does he even know the definition of the terms? Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Does he even know the definition of the terms?Yes, except he spells them "piece" and "libertine". Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Give this guy another Nobel Peace Prize... Obama terror drones: CIA tactics in Pakistan include targeting rescuers and funerals http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/02/04/obama-terror-drones-cia-tactics-in-pakistan-include-targeting-rescuers-and-funerals/ Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Give this guy another Nobel Peace Prize... Obama terror drones: CIA tactics in Pakistan include targeting rescuers and funerals http://www.thebureau...s-and-funerals/ WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH Link to post Share on other sites
Plumplechook Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Aussie journalist Mike Carlton's take on the Republican primaries from the Sydney Morning Herald. One of my new year's resolutions was to ignore the Republican primaries in the United States, but I have broken it already. They have a horrible, irresistible fascination, not unlike watching a funnel web spider crawling across your lounge-room carpet. All those spray-on tans, those spray-on first names - Mitt, Newt, Rick, Ron - and worse, those spray-on opinions confected out there on the lunar right. These people have spun so far off any rational policy axis that they make George W. Bush look like a Roosevelt liberal. Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, is the most worrying, if only because he's likely to be the winner to go up against Barack Obama. He made his multimillions as a rip'n'gouge venture capitalist, or whatever the buzz phrase is these days, preying on the carcasses of struggling companies and turning fat profits by the traditional method of sacking half the workforce and flogging off the bare bones of what was left. The American ABC television network and The Washington Post newspaper reported this week that Romney has an estimated $US33 million stashed in the notorious tax haven of the Cayman Islands. Pushed by his Republican rivals to reveal his financial dealings, he has admitted only to paying "close to 15 per cent" tax. All perfectly legal, of course, but morally bankrupt in a nation where the thieves of Wall Street have destroyed the savings of the middle class. The rest of the field looks even nastier. Newt Gingrich, the ultimate Washington insider, postures as an advocate of small government and "family values", but is a thrice-married serial adulterer who, bizarrely, was forced to make a public pledge last month "to uphold the institution of marriage through personal fidelity to my spouse and respect for the marital bonds of others''. Then you have Rick Santorum, a former senator from Pennsylvania and religious hardliner who frets incessantly about Darwinian evolution, abortion, sexual morality and euthanasia. Infamously, he once compared gay sex to "man on child, man on dog". Google his surname and you'll find the algorithm directs you, first up, to a hilariously sleazy neologism that has no place in a family newspaper. But even Santorum pales against the maddest of the lot, the Texas congressman Ron Paul, who wants to chainsaw half the government in Washington and return the US dollar to the gold standard, and who believes the United Nations is a vast global conspiracy to deprive America of God and guns. Commonly but inexplicably described as a "libertarian", he is, in fact, another wacko moraliser infamous for pronouncing that "homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities". On the economic troubles besetting the US, Paul thinks only that "it's amazing that people don't understand that the more the market is involved and the smaller the government, the lower the price, the better the distribution, and the higher the quality." Apparently he has never heard of Lehman Brothers. Yes, it's true that Obama has been a disappointing President, but any one of this Republican lot in the White House would be a disaster. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 "Yes, it's true that Obama has been a disappointing President" Certainly not to me it isnt. Not even remotely close. Its sad to see folks play into this. Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I've been disappointed with certain decisions the Obama admin has made -- some that I understand & disagree with like the tax cut extension, some that I just don't understand like the NDAA -- but on the whole I think it's been a successful presidency, especially considering the unparallelled opposition he's been facing in congress. Then again, I didn't expect him to change the world and turn the US into a progressive candyland like it seems a lot of the "disappointed" people wanted. If anyone missed it, Andrew Sullivan had a great article in Newsweek a few weeks ago about Obama's "long game" -- worth a read. Aside from that last comment, however, I think the Aussie's article is pretty accurate. The current crop of republican candidates is very disappointing. Newt, Santorum & Paul are out of the question for me for differnet (obvious) reasons. I once thought Romney would be a tolerable president, but I'm starting to wonder about that. He's so out of touch and lacking compassion that I have little confidence that his presidency would be anything other than GOP-by-the-numbers (deep cuts in social services and more tax cuts that primarily benefit the wealthy). Regardless, I love a good competition & Santorum's sweep last night, even though it didn't result in many (any?) delegates for the convention, will keep things entertaining for a while. If only Newt would lose his ego and drop out of the race we might have a legit battle here. Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 THIS JUST IN... Drones over U.S. get OK by Congress The FAA Reauthorization Act, which President Obama is expected to sign, also orders the Federal Aviation Administration to develop regulations for the testing and licensing of commercial drones by 2015.Privacy advocates say the measure will lead to widespread use of drones for electronic surveillance by police agencies across the country and eventually by private companies as well. http://www.washingto...near-you/print/ What ever you two guys are smoking, can I have some? I would love to be as completely oblivious to reality as you. (No disrespect intended.) You're having a hard time understanding Obama' motives for signing the NDAA? Do you understand he also signed the extension of the Patriot Act into law? Do you know he supports SOPA and PIPA? Do you know he signed the international treaty called ACTA that will destroy the internet as we know it? Do you know he supports the gestapo tactics being used at our airports, bus stations and train stations by the TSA? Have you you ever heard of VIPER? Did you know he has committed US troops to military action in multiple countries without congressional approval much less a declaration of war? Do you understand we are now headed to a 16.2 TRILLION dollar debt by the end of next year? Do you know that more than 50% of the people in this country are receiving government assistance of some kind? Do you understand that the Federal Reserve is printing trillions upon trillions of dollars that are backed by nothing and giving it away to their banker friends all over the world with Obama's blessing? If this isn't disappointing to you, I have some nice ocean front property in Fukushima, Japan you might be interested in purchasing. You have to escape that two party paradigm many are stuck in. There is one political party. The Big Government party. The Democrats and Republicans are just two peas in the same pod. They both are big spenders, they both love debt and war, and they both believe in socialism for the poor and socialism for selected corporate friends as well as the military-industrial complex. Obama was supposed to be the anti-war candidate who promised to protect our civil liberties. He has done nothing to stop war and has continually waged war on our constitutional rights. He is a bigger neocon than Bush. You don't think war with Iran is a few weeks away? I regret voting for him more than any other candidate I've ever voted for. I should have stayed home that day for McCain was just as bad. I fell for the bullshit. I'm sure I am not alone in feeling this way. Both political parties present you with an illusion of choice at election time. This election is being used as a tool of social control that validates a political system that offers no hope of change. Their policies will be the same no matter who is in the White House. Do you really think it will be any different if Romney beats Obama? How different is Obama from Bush? Are there always only two sides to every issue? Don't you see how the two party system actually stifles choice? Unless an anti-establishment candidate is elected nothing will change. It will only get worse. Even if someone like Ron Paul gets elected, do you know how fiercely the establishment will fight him? They are doing a great job now of ignoring him and ridiculing him despite his very popular message saying he is unelectable despite polls that show him doing very well against Obama. I work and associate with many folks who consider themselves liberal or have supported Democratic candidates their whole lives, like I have done. Almost all of them believe Ron Paul is the only candidate who addresses the issues that they feel are important to them. Some have even changed their party affiliation so they can vote for him in the Republican primary in Connecticut next month. Myself included.There is a groundswell of support for his ideas. Unfortunately, those in control of counting the votes will not allow him to win as is evidenced by the reports of election fraud in Iowa, S.C., and Nevada primaries. So, go on making self delusional excuses for all the terrible things Obama has done to this country. You will only get more of what you really don't believe in or truly desire for our country. Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 THIS JUST IN... Drones over U.S. get OK by Congress The FAA Reauthorization Act, which President Obama is expected to sign, also orders the Federal Aviation Administration to develop regulations for the testing and licensing of commercial drones by 2015.Privacy advocates say the measure will lead to widespread use of drones for electronic surveillance by police agencies across the country and eventually by private companies as well. http://www.washingto...near-you/print/ What ever you two guys are smoking, can I have some? I would love to be as completely oblivious to reality as you. (No disrespect intended.) You're having a hard time understanding Obama' motives for signing the NDAA? Do you understand he also signed the extension of the Patriot Act into law? Do you know he supports SOPA and PIPA? Do you know he signed the international treaty called ACTA that will destroy the internet as we know it? Do you know he supports the gestapo tactics being used at our airports, bus stations and train stations by the TSA? Have you you ever heard of VIPER? Did you know he has committed US troops to military action in multiple countries without congressional approval much less a declaration of war? Do you understand we are now headed to a 16.2 TRILLION dollar debt by the end of next year? Do you know that more than 50% of the people in this country are receiving government assistance of some kind? Do you understand that the Federal Reserve is printing trillions upon trillions of dollars that are backed by nothing and giving it away to their banker friends all over the world with Obama's blessing? If this isn't disappointing to you, I have some nice ocean front property in Fukushima, Japan you might be interested in purchasing. You have to escape that two party paradigm many are stuck in. There is one political party. The Big Government party. The Democrats and Republicans are just two peas in the same pod. They both are big spenders, they both love debt and war, and they both believe in socialism for the poor and socialism for selected corporate friends as well as the military-industrial complex. Obama was supposed to be the anti-war candidate who promised to protect our civil liberties. He has done nothing to stop war and has continually waged war on our constitutional rights. He is a bigger neocon than Bush. You don't think war with Iran is a few weeks away? I regret voting for him more than any other candidate I've ever voted for. I should have stayed home that day for McCain was just as bad. I fell for the bullshit. I'm sure I am not alone in feeling this way. Both political parties present you with an illusion of choice at election time. This election is being used as a tool of social control that validates a political system that offers no hope of change. Their policies will be the same no matter who is in the White House. Do you really think it will be any different if Romney beats Obama? How different is Obama from Bush? Are there always only two sides to every issue? Don't you see how the two party system actually stifles choice? Unless an anti-establishment candidate is elected nothing will change. It will only get worse. Even if someone like Ron Paul gets elected, do you know how fiercely the establishment will fight him? They are doing a great job now of ignoring him and ridiculing him despite his very popular message saying he is unelectable despite polls that show him doing very well against Obama. I work and associate with many folks who consider themselves liberal or have supported Democratic candidates their whole lives, like I have done. Almost all of them believe Ron Paul is the only candidate who addresses the issues that they feel are important to them. Some have even changed their party affiliation so they can vote for him in the Republican primary in Connecticut next month. Myself included.There is a groundswell of support for his ideas. Unfortunately, those in control of counting the votes will not allow him to win as is evidenced by the reports of election fraud in Iowa, S.C., and Nevada primaries. So, go on making self delusional excuses for all the terrible things Obama has done to this country. You will only get more of what you really don't believe in or truly desire for our country. WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH... Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Sparky, you might not expect to get any support from me, but I totally understand where you're coming from on these issues. I felt the same way about Clinton after his first term (NAFTA! "Don't Ask, Don't Tell!" etc.etc.)I held my nose when I voted for him the second time. What was I going to do, vote for Dole? Unfortunately, the two party system is pretty much the world we have, not the world we want. I thought about that, too, when it was time to vote for either Al Gore or George W. Bush. Of course, not a whole lot of lefties like me voted for Dubya (I'd venture to guess none did), but a bunch voted for Gore. Then there were people like me, who drank the Ralph Nader Kool-Aid. Oh yeah, he's different. Kind of like Ron Paul. So I voted for him. In Florida. Imagine how great I felt when I realized that if only I - and about 500 other people - had voted for Gore instead, we would be living in a different country. I could do it again this year, and find a third party candidate to vote for, as a protest. After all, I can find plenty to criticize about Obama, not limited to all the points you made. But I realized a long time ago that politics is the art of compromise, not, as Hunter S. Thompson wrote, the art of controlling your environment. And I will compromise because it's all about the lesser of two evils. For me, that will be Obama. If, by some miracle, Ron Paul is the GOP nominee, you will vote for him. I will not. I don't blame you for pushing him, but the fact is, he's still a Texas Republican. He can pander to the actual Libertarian party all he wants by condemning the Fed, but nothing is ever going to come of it. We're not going back to the gold standard. It's not gonna happen. And he can be as anti-war as he wants, but if he inherits a war - as Obama inherited two - he won't be able to pull the plug in a week or two. It takes time. Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH... You got that right, brother.... Heartbreak, It's got to start sometime... Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 what the hell you expect us to do ya moron? Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 what the hell you expect us to do ya moron? Oh...there's a moron in this thread alright. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 I was trying to do the animal house thing Crow. Yeah I know Im a moron but this moron has been in DC for the better part of 20 years. See the thing you dont understand is that half of the country is very very different from me and you and the rest of us on here. See they have a vote. We have to do something with them called (((compromise))) As much as it sucks we cant just tell them what to do. Unless you want President Bush back (not that theres anything wrong with that) Id suggest you put your hat on like Jeff Tweedy and Wilco and come on in for the big win. Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 Well said, guys. Sparky, you can obviously vote for whoever you want for whatever reasons you choose, but the 2 party system is the reality of US politics -- especially when it comes to electing a President. Some elections are harder than others (I despised Kerry as a candidate), but I choose to vote for someone with a chance of winning -- if not for them, then at least against the other guy. Unless some charismatic and well-funded independent throws his hat into the race (hello Ross Perot!), all that "protest" vote does is push the R or D that you hate more one vote closer to a win. I understand that you don't think there's a difference, but I do. But perhaps we'll get that option this year. If the GOP can't coalesce around a candidate, it might be a good opportunity for someone with a huge bankroll and name recognition to step in. But would you get behind someone like Bloomberg or Trump, solely because he's running as an "independent"? I suspect not. And you can't tell me that McCain would have handled Libya in the same manner as Obama did.... or the Auto industry bailot, or DADT, or the healthcare reform act, etc. I don't disagree with you that there have been disappointing continuations of policies that some thought would have been stopped, but he's definitely not running "Bush's 3rd term" as some people put it. Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 A big win for war, torture, higher taxes, crippling debt, bigger government, outsourcing, expansion of the welfare state, more bailouts and the continued destruction of our civil liberties. With a few more wins like that we'll be in fine shape... When you vote for the lesser of two evils you still vote for evil. Wait, I've got one more cliche.... Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting an new result. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 What torture Sparky? What higher taxes sparky? What destruction of civil liberties? You mean the corporate welfare state? Right?I can ask you 10 questions off the top of my head that are impossible to answer as a "libertarian" Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Maybe you can find some of the answers yourself... http://endoftheamericandream.com/ http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/ http://thenewamerican.com/ http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/ http://www.veteranstoday.com/ http://lewrockwell.com/miller/miller39.1.html http://www.lewrockwell.com/ http://lewrockwell.com/napolitano/napolitano40.1.html http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/category/articles/ http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=home http://www.naturalnews.com/ http://www.zerohedge.com/ http://whatreallyhappened.com/ Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 just an answer would be fine. what torture under Obama? what higher taxes? Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 I feel so much less free under Obama than I did under Bush......just terrible. Meanwhile I am so looking forward to President Santorum. I just can't wait. It is going to be so fucking great. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 Blistering Indictment Leveled Against Obama Over His Handling of Bush-Era War Crimes http://www.fourwinds...hp?q=1260722052 Obama Has Decriminalized Torture: Do Americans Care? http://my.firedoglak...americans-care/ Repulsive progressive hypocrisy http://www.salon.com...lenn_greenwald/ Obama 2012 – May The Farce Be With You http://www.veteranst...ce-be-with-you/ Guantánamo: A decade of damage to human rights http://www.amnesty.o...ghts-2012-01-11 Class warfare that will ruin our children's future: Furious reaction to Obama's plan to clobber families earning over $250,000-a-year in $1.5trillion tax raid $250billion in spending cuts on health care and $1trillion in military savingsIndividuals on $200,000+ and families on $250,000+ annually will be affectedTax hike plans for those earning $1million and then for people on $10millionRepublicans say plan to tax rich is 'class warfare' and will make things worseWhite House says proposal will affect less than one per cent of taxpayersObama responds to GOP by saying: 'This is not class warfare. It's math'Wall Street unimpressed but markets only fall slightly after late recoveryRead more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz1luu0BnhL Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 For Louie, What if Freedom Were Temporary?by Andrew P. Napolitano http://lewrockwell.com/napolitano/napolitano32.1.html Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 More clarification on TSA = Gestapo, please. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 ahhh. youre one of those republican independents. class warfare.........my azz Link to post Share on other sites
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