Lammycat Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 No guarantee there will be several runs. You had a potential run this year but gave it away.Exactly. You need to exploit the talent when you have it (Lincecum?). It was a poor decision, imo. They could have slowed him down a bit and lessen bullpen sessions, but shutting him down was a slap in the face to his teammates and the fans, imo. and thats a risk i'm ok with. apparently mike rizzo agrees.This I don't get. Winning the WS, and winning it now, is the ultimate goal, and sacrifices need to be made in order to get there. Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 idk, winning a world series would be great but i cant justify maybe driving a young pitcher's career into the ground to do so. there are levels of sacrifices (kirk gibsons home run is iconic for a reason) but that seems too far in my mind. especially for a team that i couldnt see making the world series even when strasburg was pitching. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 idk, winning a world series would be great but i cant justify maybe driving a young pitcher's career into the ground to do so. there are levels of sacrifices (kirk gibsons home run is iconic for a reason) but that seems too far in my mind. especially for a team that i couldnt see making the world series even when strasburg was pitching.Rizzo should fire himself. The whole goal is to win the WS (or it should be, at least). Though it may be altruistic to attempt to spare the kid's arm, he severely and possibly ultimately jeopardized the franchises chances at attaining the ultimate goal in his decision. The goal shouldn't be to win next year or for a stretch thereafter, but to win this year. Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 the world series is always the goal, but i dont think any gm would say his job is to put together a winning team for just one year. every gm in the game wants to put together a team that can compete for many years, especially a gm like rizzo who hasnt really built his team through big name free agents. the nats organization is largely homegrown, and mostly scouted by rizzo himself. the nats were just barely out of the rebuilding stage when this season began. this wasnt the year they were supposed to truly compete, so they've been more or less playing with house money all year. he apparently decided shutting down strasburg was the best way to have more than one good season, and he's stuck to it. i know im not the only nats fan who has no problem with that. hell even strasburg is realizing it's the right call. the closest thing to proof that it was or wasnt the right decision will come in a few years, when strasburg nears free agency. if the nats dont make the playoffs again, that's when it will really screw them over, not this year. Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 See Kris Medlen on how to handle a recovering TJ surgery pitcher. There's too many variables on having a string of postseason runs. Strasburg could be great for the next 7 years, but Gonzalez could blow out, the bullpen could blow up, Ryan Zimmerman could blow a knee, and guys like Werth, LaRoche or Desmond could just blow. When you get the opportunity to win right now, you go for it. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Sounds like the players aren't too happy with the decision either. I think this could be bad for next year. Especially if they struggle at all. Really a bad decision. Firing himself seems reasonable. Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 fair enough. agree to disagree. we'll see what the next few years bring. now here we have a baseball executive who cares about his players. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 In other words, bye bye Josh. Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 In other words, bye bye Josh. Yep. Gotta love Ryan - dick wad. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Yep. Gotta love Ryan - dick wad. Why is he a dick wad? Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted October 11, 2012 Author Share Posted October 11, 2012 Why is he a dick wad? He isn't.Calvino is just being a shock jock. Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Not trying to be a shock jock - I think it's dickish thing to say when someone is trying quit a bad habit. Hamilton battles addiction everyday, anyway. He wanted to quit another addiction, good for him. Being a dick is one of Ryan charming qualities. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Not trying to be a shock jock - I think it's dickish thing to say when someone is trying quit a bad habit. Hamilton battles addiction everyday, anyway. He wanted to quit another addiction, good for him. Being a dick is one of Ryan charming qualities. But what is it about Ryan's statement that makes him a "dick wad"? Ryan said that it wasn't the best time for all involved for him to quit. Hamilton himself said during the year that his decision to quit was impacting his performance. If it has that kind of detrimental effect on how well you perform your job for which you're paid millions of dollars, it would probably have been a wiser move to do it in the offseason, which is all Ryan said. There wasn't anything untrue or "dickish" about Ryan simply stating what happened. Good luck to whatever team pays for Hamilton this winter. I like him as a player and as a person. He's overcome a lot. And he's certainly contributed greatly to the Rangers' success these last three years. But he's a high-maintenance drama queen and the money it would take to re-sign him will be better spent elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites
Moss Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Another Giants/A's series? Another Earthquake? Could happen. Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 But what is it about Ryan's statement that makes him a "dick wad"? Ryan said that it wasn't the best time for all involved for him to quit. Hamilton himself said during the year that his decision to quit was impacting his performance. If it has that kind of detrimental effect on how well you perform your job for which you're paid millions of dollars, it would probably have been a wiser move to do it in the offseason, which is all Ryan said. There wasn't anything untrue or "dickish" about Ryan simply stating what happened. Good luck to whatever team pays for Hamilton this winter. I like him as a player and as a person. He's overcome a lot. And he's certainly contributed greatly to the Rangers' success these last three years. But he's a high-maintenance drama queen and the money it would take to re-sign him will be better spent elsewhere.i wouldnt say it makes nolan a dick, but that comment came across as something that didnt really need to be said in such a public way. its true, it wasnt the best time for hamilton the player to make a huge lifestyle change, but its a little callous to call someone out for trying to kick a destructive habit. either way it does kinda solidify that he wont be back in texas next year. it'll be interesting to see where he ends up, and for how much. Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I'd guess Baltimore will be in on the Hamilton bidding. Despite their abrupt turn-around, they're still trying to replenish their farm system. However, since they've won over 90 games this season, they'll be near the bottom of the draft; so giving up basically a couple of 2nd rounders for a talent like Hamilton could be worth a gamble. They certainly could use a potent 3 or 4 hitter, which would make Adam Jones even better if he was right before or after Hamilton. Link to post Share on other sites
sonicshoulder Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Another rough day in the life of a Cincinnati sports fan. Colossal meltdown! 0-3 at home with a 2 game lead in a yard where they haven't been swept all year. Tough series for Rollen with a costly error and a K to end the series but he has been great for the Reds and the city, class act. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I am glad the game got O's and NYY game remained tied so I can watch the end after the Biden / Ryan debate Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 4 game 5s? That is awesome, who is to say 5 game series suck? Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted October 12, 2012 Author Share Posted October 12, 2012 Not trying to be a shock jock - I think it's dickish thing to say when someone is trying quit a bad habit. Hamilton battles addiction everyday, anyway. He wanted to quit another addiction, good for him. Being a dick is one of Ryan charming qualities. Hamilton is a big, dumb child.If he was so intent of being obedient to God, well, quit the dip after LAST season. The distraction and his mid season slide were avoidable with a little forethought.He is a magnificent talent, but he can be such a distraction. He is proving to be brittle after years of abusing his body. Deep down, although I would love to see him in the middle of that lineup for years to come, I think the team might be better off without him. Now Wash and JD won't have to worry about those 3am calls with Josh getting loaded in a bar somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 justin verlander in two alds starts, including a 122 pitch complete game tonight: 16IP7H5BB1R (on the first AB of the first game)22 Ks0.56 ERA Link to post Share on other sites
linclink Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 4 game 5s? That is awesome, who is to say 5 game series suck?I always root for great baseball first, before any team...that said, I also root for the Red Sox, Mets & Yankees. So this year, it's down to the Yankees for me...in the NL I'm rooting for the Giants.Every game of the Yanks-Orioles series has been amazing, & I'm glad to have C.C. on the mound for tonight's finale. Go Yankees!! Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Okay I concede Ryan isn't a dick wad for saying what he said about Hamilton - Shakespeare put forth a much better response. I haven't use the term "dick wad" in about 25 or 30 years - it was kinda fun. Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 justin verlander in two alds starts, including a 122 pitch complete game tonight: 16IP7H5BB1R (on the first AB of the first game)22 Ks0.56 ERA His performance last night was a masterpiece. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 It's weird to me how people clamor for truth from athletes/managers/GMs/etc., instead of the standard cliches, and then when we get someone to actually make some truthful statements, they get skewered for it. Link to post Share on other sites
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