IRememberDBoon Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Did I hear Romney promise NOT to lower taxes on the wealthy?? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Obama is already doing exactly what I said his strategy was designed to do. He let Romney run his mouth, and now Obama is using Romney's words against him. He has no choice but to try that now. His performance last night damaged his campaign. Bottom line. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 After everything that went down last night I heard an excerpt of Obama at a rally saying Elmo should watch out because Romneys getting rid of PBS.....Someone made mention of Obama being tired because he's been President and campaigning but I think we can all agree for a number of months he's been more focused on the campaign than anything else. (it seems like to me) Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Someone made mention of Obama being tired because he's been President and campaigning but I think we can all agree for a number of months he's been more focused on the campaign than anything else. (it seems like to me) You have access to his schedule? Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 You have access to his schedule?http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I don't really care about this stuff anymore (I have a lot of stuff on my mind), but I must admit I wonder what the Obama camp would be saying if the tables were turned last night. Link to post Share on other sites
kidsmoke Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I don't really care about this stuff anymore (I have a lot of stuff on my mind), but I must admit I wonder what the Obama camp would be saying if the tables were turned last night. I know exactly what you mean. Politics are never going to be pretty, but I do give Obama credit for trying to behave in a respectful and gracious manner. It must be a real effort sometimes, with what's at stake. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 An article to make Obama supporters feel better after the debate. God knows we need it.http://prospect.org/...-it-wont-matter Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Two articles for those who think both candidates are not worth our vote to make you feel even worse... 16 Critical Economic Issues That Obama And Romney Avoided During The Debate http://theeconomicco...ring-the-debate The Real Debate We Should Be Havingby Jacob G. Hornberger http://www.fff.org/b...g2012-10-05.asp Still get your information to make informed decsions from cable news? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LvNIUHgnGk Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 i read someone somewhere on the interweb talking about how Obamas response was a respectful black mans response to being bullied by and angry white guy. Looking down and away and acting timid and what not. I thought that was an interesting thought. Not sure what i think of it Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I know exactly what you mean. Politics are never going to be pretty, but I do give Obama credit for trying to behave in a respectful and gracious manner. It must be a real effort sometimes, with what's at stake. Respectful and bewildered tone Wednesday night...mocking tone Thursday. All hail the return of the teleprompter. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 i read someone somewhere on the interweb talking about how Obamas response was a respectful black mans response to being bullied by and angry white guy. Looking down and away and acting timid and what not. I thought that was an interesting thought. Not sure what i think of it christ Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 i read someone somewhere on the interweb talking about how Obamas response was a respectful black mans response to being bullied by and angry white guy. Looking down and away and acting timid and what not. I thought that was an interesting thought. Not sure what i think of itI think it's racist bullshit, to be honest. Why can't people just accept that Romney did better in the debate? It's not a ridiculous idea and there doesn't have to be some hidden reason why it happened. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 I thought Romney did better in the debate, too. But interestingly, not everyone sees it the way most of us did. Among the 20-30% who somehow thought Obama won were some undecided women voters. Presumably, they didn't like seeing the guy get attacked so much, and after the debate they were leaning more towards Obama. In the focus group segment I watched, which took place right after the debate, they said he seemed more relatable and mentioned that he spoke to the camera directly multiple times, which made him look like he was addressing all Americans, not just his opponent. Makes me think that, if winning the debate(s) would win you the presidency, Obama would be in real trouble. But if your goal is winning hearts and minds, he may not have done much damage to himself at all. He is up among independents and women as groups. Looks like the main thing Romney did was to solidify his base and energize his campaign, but maybe not much more.Meantime, almost everyone has already moved past that news cycle and is talking about the unemployment rate dropping to 7.8% for the first time in a long time. Conspiracy theories abound, which, by the way, is an excellent way to lose all credibility. Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Why can't we make sure our votes are properly recorded to guarantee a paper trail to safeguard against fraud? http://youtu.be/Ksvd7FJtNuU Don't get too giddy. You sure are gullible. You believe everything your government tells you especially right before an election? What if Bush were still president and those reports came out? Would you still believe them? You would be complaining that his administration was playing politics with the numbers. Shadowstats are considered the most accurate unemployment numbers. They take all factors into consideration and don't leave out those who have given up looking for work because there are no jobs. http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 yeah we know. when the numbers are high they are true and talked about every day on Fox. When they get lower its cooked books and never spoken of on Fox. Nice. Just like Romney. Lie about everything and call your opponent a liar. Great way to debate. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Why can't we make sure our votes are properly recorded to guarantee a paper trail to safeguard against fraud? http://youtu.be/Ksvd7FJtNuU Don't get too giddy. You sure are gullible. You believe everything your government tells you especially right before an election? What if Bush were still president and those reports came out? Would you still believe them? You would be complaining that his administration was playing politics with the numbers. Shadowstats are considered the most accurate unemployment numbers. They take all factors into consideration and don't leave out those who have given up looking for work because there are no jobs. http://www.shadowsta...ployment-charts On the first part, I totally agree. This is where the true voter fraud occurs, not the phantom fraud the GOP claims. On the second, I would be more more inclined to listen to you if you weren't so damn condescending. There has never been any reason to doubt the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics). If PBO manipulated the numbers it would be the worse thing any president ever did. Also if he could manipulate by the BLS don't you think he would have been manipulating them long before this? Here is an article that explains why the GOP claims are essentially BS. http://news.yahoo.com/does-white-house-manipulate-jobs-numbers-164654738--abc-news-deals.html Oh and really you are getting information from a website called Shadow Government Statistics? You also going send us a chart from Tinfoil Hat Monthly? Link to post Share on other sites
Magnetized Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Yep, you really can't assail the validity of BLS data. It's statistics, period. They don't do any analysis of the data, although others do right after new reports are released. Like most statistics, they can be interpreted different ways to support different points of view. One of the things that makes this unemployment number so meaningful is that they've collected the data the same way for a long time. So it's hard to make a case that the number is being manipulated. Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 On the second, I would be more more inclined to listen to you if you weren't so damn condescending. ................... What's that song on YHF?......... Pot Kevin...er.....I mean Kettle Black? One of my favorites! Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Would you please be so kind to view this article about the jobs report that our never lying government officials put out. I'm sure you'll find it informative. I hope it doesn't upset you in anyway or offend your sensitivities. I know it's only little old me Sparky, the great conspiracist who should be knocked down a peg or two after every post he makes but I'm sure you'll get something out of it. If you don't,I sincerely apologize for upsetting you or appearing to be condescending. I hope you have a very enjoyable weekend. A Jobs Report Conspiracy? Well, isn't that convenient? The Obama campaign desperately needed the last employment report to be released before the election to show that the unemployment rate had fallen below 8 percent, and somehow it magically happened. Even though non-farm payroll employment only increased by 114,000 last month (not enough to even keep up with population growth), the official unemployment rate fell from 8.1 percent to 7.8 percent. So how did that happen? Well, the unemployment number is not based on the survey of employers that showed that 114,000 jobs were added to the economy last month. Rather it is based on a survey of households. And that survey showed that the total number of Americans employed last month increased by a whopping 873,000 - almost eight times the number that the employer survey showed. That figure for September (873,000) was the biggest one month increase in 29 years. And it just happened to come at the exact perfect time for Barack Obama. So was there a jobs report conspiracy? Examine the evidence and decide for yourself. The number of Americans with a job fell by 195,000 in July.Then it fell by another 119,000 in August.But somehow in September it miraculously exploded in the other direction and 873,000 jobs were added to the economy?If you believe that, I have a bridge that I want to sell you.Somehow, the largest increase in jobs in 29 years happened just when Barack Obama needed it the most.Nah, that doesn't sound fishy to me at all.We are being told that a big reason for the huge increase was the number of Americans working part-time for "economic reasons". That number surged from 8.0 million in August to 8.6 million in September.Why the sudden jump?Nobody can really explain it.And if you look at the U6 unemployment rate, nothing has really changed at all. U6 is still at 14.7 percent just like it was last month.But the media is not going to talk about the U6 rate. Instead, all of the headlines are going to be about "7.8 percent".According to the survey of employers, the U.S. economy added fewer jobs in September than it did in August, and it added fewer jobs in August than it did in July.So according to the survey of employers, the employment situation in the United States is getting worse.But according to the household survey, we just had the greatest month of job creation since the first term of Ronald Reagan.Something does not add up. If you would like to read more, kindly click here. If not, that's ok. I don't want to upset you and I'll understand. But remember, don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs. I know how upsetting that could be. http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/a-jobs-report-conspiracy Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Would you please be so kind to view this article about the jobs report that our never lying government officials put out. I'm sure you'll find it informative. I hope it doesn't upset you in anyway or offend your sensitivities. I know it's only little old me Sparky, the great conspiracist who should be knocked down a peg or two after every post he makes but I'm sure you'll get something out of it. If you don't,I sincerely apologize for upsetting you or appearing to be condescending. I hope you have a very enjoyable weekend. A Jobs Report Conspiracy? If you would like to read more, kindly click here. If not, that's ok. I don't want to upset you and I'll understand. But remember, don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs. I know how upsetting that could be. http://theeconomicco...port-conspiracy A couple of things here. It seems the article is talking about two different things here. The way the BLS gets it numbers and if the BLS numbers were manipulated for political gain. It is valid agrument to question how the BLS get's it numbers and I think a conversation worth having. However the BLS numbers for years and then suddenly claim they are cooked in order for political gain, that is definition of Conspiracy Theory. Here is a link to the article that explaines why conspiracy theories about the BLS numbers is basless: http://www.huffingto...hp_ref=business Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 It is manipulation of the figures. It's common sense if you look at the facts being presented in that articles and the one below. Don't go using that conspiracy theory BS when you can't support your argument. Look, I don't have a horse in this race. Don't like either corporate controlled puppet. Both parties manipulate the numbers. It's politics as usual I'm afraid. "2.5 million unemployed Americans were not counted as unemployed." http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ US Foodstamp Usage Rises To New Record High http://www.zerohedge...new-record-high Reason For Today's Unemployment Rate Plunge: Part-Time Jobs For Economic Reasons Surge Most Since QE1 Announcement http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-05/reason-todays-unemployment-rate-plunge-part-time-jobs-economic-reasons-surge-most-qe Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 It is manipulation of the figures. It's common sense if you look at the facts being presented in that article and the one below. Don't go using that conspiracy theory BS when you can't support your argument. "2.5 million unemployed Americans were not counted as unemployed." http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ Maybe I am not making myself clear. Arguing the way the BLS gathers its data (which is the same way it has done for many years) and who it counts in the data is a good and valid argument and one worth having. Getting the real unemployment rate is important. Which is what I think you are getting at. However, what I have a problem with those who have used the BLS in the past as measure of the economy and now are decrying its findings. By saying some group is manipulating those numbers to re-elect PBO is a conspiracy theory, and factually inaccurate. If someone or some group were manipulating the numbers wouldn't they manipulate the numbers better then 7.8%? If they wanted to manipulate the data wouldn't they make the unemployment rate 5% or 2%? Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I understand the point you are making. But something is fishy because the monthly numbers as cited above in those articles don't seem to add up to a great surge in jobs. Hey, who knows, except those who can't find work? Next month the foodstamp figures should go down then if all these folks now have real jobs. We'll see. Like you said, getting the real numbers are important. In search of the truth... http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=212379 Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Big Bird must have not gotten one of those new jobs... Link to post Share on other sites
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