The Last Jedi with SPOILERS!

[uncool2pillow]

Looking for a safe place to talk. I LOVED a lot of this movie. I could’ve done w/o the casino scene. It didn’t feel like the Star Wars universe.

 

A friend thinks there is still more to learn about Rey’s parentage and Snoke’s origins. I disagree.

 

 

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[brownie]

I love the crystal foxes!

 

I got choked up as the end credits rolled, realizing that Han, Luke, and Leia are all gone now.

[u2roolz]

Looking for a safe place to talk. I LOVED a lot of this movie. I could’ve done w/o the casino scene. It didn’t feel like the Star Wars universe.

 

A friend thinks there is still more to learn about Rey’s parentage and Snoke’s origins. I disagree.

 

 

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Regarding Ren/Rey: it depends on if you believe that Kylo Ren is telling the truth to Rey about her parents. We might find out in the next episode. If he IS telling a lie, then he is doing the opposite of Darth Vader telling Luke the truth about his real parents. The timing of Kylo Ren killing Snoke is interesting because it shows that he can potentially be given a lot more power than Vader ever had, since Vader didn't end up killing Emperor Palpatine until he started to attack Luke in Jedi at the very end of the movie.

 

It looks like Ren will be the main villain in the next episode or there will be another shadowy figure/master that he will be reporting to. The Ren/Rey team up was something else. It was a real balance to The Force or at least that's how I interpreted that scene.

 

That last scene was my favorite ending scene in the whole franchise. It was transcendent and perfect!

[John Smith]

I saw the movie yesterday and thought that essentially it’s just another star wars movie. Nothing great, nothing bad...just what I exeoevt in a SW movie. Didn’t like the furry little gremlin puffin like critters. I feel like they are only part of the movie for marketing toys to young kids. I liked some of the humor. Didn’t like the length. I also fell asleep during the casino scene and woke when they were flying away. So I agree the casino added little to the movie.

 

Also...I’m not a huge Star Wars fanboy, I just see the movies when they come out because it’s Star Wars.

[TCP]

I disagree. The Last Jedi is anything but just another Star Wars movie, and that's what makes it great. Maybe the best of the series (I don't want to make too strong of a declaration without seeing it twice). Yoda sums it all up "failure is the best teacher" and failure is the theme of this movie. Poe, Rey, Finn all fail in their quests. Poe mutiny fails. Even when Poe does win (the opening scene) it's a failure in the big picture. Rey fails to turn Kylo to the light. Finn fails to find the right codebreaker which causes him to fail at disabling the tracking device. Luke fails Kylo. Leia's positive that her allies will save them, that fails. All the good guys fail.

It's a movie about looking forward and moving on from the past, so I'm glad Rey didn't end up being a Solo or Skywalker or Kenobi. I'm glad Snoke, who was really just Palpatine 2.0, got cut in half.  

It's a bold movie and it looks forward just as much as The Force Awakens looks back. 

Also Mark Hamill was great. That scene with him and Carrie, just great. Also when he drinks the milk... incredible. 

[Sir Stewart]

The thing that really sits weird with me is: given that the final version we saw of Luke standing over young Ben with his sword lit is what really happened - that means Ben's turn to the Dark Side (while perhaps in the works inside him already) was essentially based on a misunderstanding of a moment. Right?

 

Rey & Ren teaming up and battling Snoke's guards was the best scene in any Star Wars post-OG trilogy.

[TCP]

Yeah it's kind of heartbreaking that Luke worrying about Ben turning to the dark side is what made Kylo turn dark. It's Luke's darkest moment too. A lot of layers there.

 

And yes, agreed... Rey and Ren fighting together was great and beautifully shot. Much better then the prequels with tons of light sabres and needless flips.

[Passenger Sid]

Anybody else, who were fans of the original trilogy, feel like this newest go-around of 3 episodes is a big middle finger to fans of the original trilogy?

 

We saw Han die un-heroicly, without fight in Force Awakens, Princess Leia virtually a non-role, and maybe 20 seconds of Luke all the way at the very end.

 

Now Luke's gone. 

 

I get that Disney needs to make a billion-plus every year on their new purchase, but no need to kick us fans of the original in the balls so hard.

[Winston Legthigh]

Anybody else, who were fans of the original trilogy, feel like this newest go-around of 3 episodes is a big middle finger to fans of the original trilogy?

 

No, that's what the prequel trilogy was. Specifically midichlorians. 

 

 

We saw Han die un-heroicly, without fight 

 

And how did Obi-Wan die again?

 

Luke, Leia and Han Solo were in the original three. Let the next generation get theirs.

[Passenger Sid]

No, that's what the prequel trilogy was. Specifically midichlorians. 

 

 

 

And how did Obi-Wan die again?

 

Luke, Leia and Han Solo were in the original three. Let the next generation get theirs.

 

At least the prequels had Lucas' amazing world-building. And Episode III almost made the prequels worthwhile.

 

Obi-Wan, in the original 3 films, didn't have the swagger that Solo had. Solo shoulda died in a way where maybe his cockiness and confidence got him in trouble. 

 

My biggest issue is, if Disney decided that they just want to get on with the next generation and dump Solo/Luke/Leia, then they shoulda just announced that the new Star Wars takes place many years after Return The Jedi...far enough in the future that Solo/Luke/Leia were dead.

 

Why didn't they? Really simple. Had they announced that, they know millions of middle-aged fans of the original trilogy may not have wanted to invest in a new trilogy. 

 

Again, it's a kick in the balls. Watch Hamill's reaction after the premiere. Listen to him talk about it. It's seems apparent that Hamill got suckered. He seems to have no idea Episode VIII was his end.

 

Worse criticism on the new trilogy: if their concern and focus is the next generation and wanting fans to care about and love Rey/Poe/Finn, I think they've done a not-so-good job...none of the characters resonate emotionally like any of Solo/Luke/Leia. Heck, I'd add Obi-Wan, Yoda, Vader and maybe even Lando. To me, there's not much soul in the new trilogy.

[Sir Stewart]

You're insane.

[Winston Legthigh]

Yeah, I get it. I think the people who get pissed at movies for not meeting their expectations (I hate the Lord of the Rings movies...) should take a deep breath and a step back. 

 

Was the new Star Wars a kick in the balls to you? I guess so. I'm sorry for that. 

 

I loved the fact that Rey's parents were nobodys (and I hope they stick with that). I loved the kid at the end, who force grabbed the broom. That kid is me, in the summer between 1st and 2nd grades, seeing the first Star Wars movie. 

 

If you want more Han Solo, guess what - there's a whole new franchise for that. Will the new Han Solo shit be as good as Harrison Ford's take? Probably not. 

[Passenger Sid]

As a stand-alone, Force Awakens was a good movie. And, if considered as the only other Star Wars sequel or prequel, The Last Jedi is a even better.

 

But that's not the reality. The original, beloved trilogy from the late 70's and early 80's DID exist. And that original trilogy was something extra special.

 

I think Disney made a mistake. Either give the Skywalker family a noble, worthwhile exit over the last 3 films, or start the next generation films post-death of those characters. Disney wants their cake and eat it too...try to satisfy the old guard AND get every young male and female in the world on board as well. 

 

None of you agree that the new films lack the soul that the originals had? 

[Winston Legthigh]

Sure, maybe they do. And? So?

 

You're asking me to compare the impact of watching Last Jedi at 48 years old, versus watching Star Wars when I was 7.

 

I don't enjoy watching Star Wars now. I think it's slow.

 

I've tried watching Force Awakens a second time, but lost interest. I did enjoy it when I saw it originally. I also enjoyed Last Jedi.

 

Rogue One is the one I've been able to enjoy watching multiple times. I think it might be my favorite Star Wars movie of all, but I'm not willing to nudge it ahead of Empire Strikes Back.

[Lammycat]

 

 

You're asking me to compare the impact of watching Last Jedi at 48 years old, versus watching Star Wars when I was 7.

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly (even though I was about 11 or 12). My favorite part of the last one or two my family takes me to is when they turn the light sabers on. Cool humming sound.

[Winston Legthigh]

^ My sex life isn't what it used to be, but on the bright side I have a snow blower that vibrates like hell...

[Lammycat]

^ My sex life isn't what it used to be, but on the bright side I have a snow blower that vibrates like hell...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elhKd5J4_PU

[TCP]

Oh cool more posts in the Star Wars threa---
 

^ My sex life isn't what it used to be, but on the bright side I have a snow blower that vibrates like hell...

[Winston Legthigh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=62&v=EIY-PsHrj9A

 

There's another Mark Hamill quote from another video on youtube saying:

 

"It's only a movie. And if you think you're going to go into the movie and recapture your childhood, you're setting yourself up for disappointment."

[SarahC]

I think Disney is doing a good job with the universe and the story that they're telling. I've enjoyed TFA and TLJ a bunch. Been pretty into Star Wars since I was 8, and haven't been disappointed by a movie really (except Attack Of The Clones in parts), and have really enjoyed a bunch of the novels and the new comics are really great. If you're into comics I suggest checking them out. 

 

I hope that Rey and Kylo end up together in 9, because I think it will be both of them that bring balance to the Force, not just one or the other. Especially going off what happened in the throne room. 

 

Also, Porgs are awesome. 

[Winston Legthigh]

Just wanted to point out that Vyvyan from The Young Ones had the first line of spoken dialogue in The Last Jedi. Would have loved a cameo from Neil and Mike the Cool Person. RIP Rik Mayall.

[lost highway]

It took my wife and I forever to get a babysitter and see this thing and we finally did.

 

Gotta second (or is it third/fourth now?) the whole casino planet diversion was lame. Finn's story line was nothing but annoying until the time when Benicio del Toro stepped in and then it had a little more impact. Another gripe: how did Rey get back to the Millennium Falcon after the stale-mate duel with Kylor Ren? Not impossible, but too difficult not to explain. Also, while I liked the ace-in-the-sleeve psych out on Luke's part at the end, if the whole thing killed him why didn't he just show up and take a light saber to the torso like Obi Wan?

 

I loved all of the inner conflict. I loved the ambition (true evil) of Kylo Ren snuffing Snoke (love the gold bathrobe too). We definitely needed a break from the conventional Sith-lord leads the blind follower apprentice dynamic. I also love that the whole worn out MacGuffin convention of sneaking in with the code master to disable the tracker was turned on its head. Laura Dern was awesome. But, why didn't she just tell Poe that unloading on to a planet and then leading the First Order away was her plan in the first place?

 

Some great visual battle sequences with Kylo and Rey versus the henchmen samurai and all the white salt/blood red earth in the final sequence. The broken light saber was a great broad-side of a barn visual metaphor which is totally what the SW series needs to write mythology.

 

My friends all hated it. I kind of love it.

[uncool2pillow]

This was a fun read.

 

https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-list-of-some-of-the-times-the-last-jedi-told-the-olde-1821396631

 

 

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[The Inside of Outside]

I liked it, but did not love it. My daughter, age 15, loved it - her favorite of the series.

[ih8music]

I fell asleep and missed the Yoda scene, which everyone is telling me was unbelievably awesome.  

 

Otherwise, I thought the movie was fine.  It dragged during the middle third (thus my somnolence) but I thought it ended well.  I have a MAD CRUSH on Rey, so that helps a lot.